Train Monkeys, Not Men

Sunday, August 26, 2012
Posted in category State Worship

Following my recent post on jack-booted kids, a long-time LewRockwell.com reader and corporate pilot wrote to me about the Civil Air Patrol, a training ground for brainwashed youth. He writes:

I am a corporate pilot and as such visit a lot of small country airports. While I am there I have occasionally seen the Civil Air Patrol engaged in some of their activities. These activities usually amount to children, age 12 and up, pretending they are in the military. They are always clad in fatigues or dress blues. They have the same rank system as the military except prefixed by “Cadet”. They give orders, march around in formation, and generally mimic the military. Google “civil air patrol” and check out some of the images. Then Google “Hitler Youth” and note the similarities.

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Cvil Air Patrol

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31 Responses to Train Monkeys, Not Men

  1. cory says:

    August 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    My father wanted me to join that. I wanted to be a pilot. Fortunately for me, my eyesight prevented me from being a candidate for that job in the CAP, so I didn’t join.

  2. jeannie queenie says:

    August 26th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    You really have to feel sorry for kids today. From the youngest ages they are being brainwashed via cutesy cartoon crap like Telebubbies, which when you think about it, is already forming in their wee minds, the visions of a wobbling, empty eyed tubster waddling around. Then they enter the ersatz educational system run by feminists to be brainwashed into the ‘evils’ of all white men, thus setting up boys to hate themselves or at the very least, get with the ‘pussyifing program”.

    And if that isn’t enough putting down the white man, after dinner when pops is watching tv, they can hear a Black Panther talking to O’Reilly just this past week on,
    “We got to kill whitey, his women, their little white babies and erase them all from the planet–gotta feed those little white babies to the gators.” And of course, all moronic feminists out of a deeply felt multicult guilt would sit and agree with that as long as white men go extinct like the dodo bird. Add to that, these students are brainwashed into the climate propaganda, worried that stepping on a worm, might alter the sun’s cycles.

    Then many kids are too often brainwashed by court systems/shrinks/female judges when it comes to custody..called spousal make-up-sht so they can collect more buckage from the very white daddy they want to eliminate. Then in the far left field we have schools like out here in Rhode Island telling kids that being ‘gay’ is an option..just try it out for size and see if you like it…
    and ‘girls, here is a condom, put it on a cuke’. Who needs a rectory when you can have the pubic school system rot your brain as easily. But by far and away the most outrageous, and surely deserving of everyone’s utter disdain is the push with kids to sooooo “RESPECT ISLAM’…like wtf…respect something so hideous, so mindless, so ungodly, so evil as to merit any response other than a hugh laugh accompanied by a hugh fart that blows them away—it is all so insane that I wonder how any kid today will make it to thirty with one brain cell haven’t been totally warped, degraded and left unclean from every sector…oh, and did I mention advertising which runs a close second to getting with the jihad joke….all of it when you think about it are simply ads…feminists advertising their cluelessness, teachers advertising their inability to teach truth, moes advertising a sick, deceitful political show for power all under the smokescreen of religion, and cadet training advertising for ‘let’s play war and piss off more people around the planet kids”. Don’t worry kiddies, big daddy will supply the equipment, all you need supply are those telebubbie empty eyes, fat bodies that will be whipped into shape via less exercise in the military….thanks to the pussyifing of soldiers now with women in the ranks.

    Now guys are expected to wear fake boobs to know what it is like to be a woman in the military..does it get more insane than this…pls wake me up when the nutso nightmare has ended on this planet of plenty insanity.

    Now male soldiers get less strenuous exercise to accommodate those born with tits, but no testosterone.

    So listen up kiddies, come be a cadet and join the cause of conformity, stupidity and willingness to believe all the sht being taught to you..that’s all kids. Just do this one thing, make sure you watch telebubbies so you too can walk and waddle through walmart someday with that clueless, empty eyed look..same sort of empty look the enemy has from 1,000s of years of inbreeding…hell in time, you will all look alike—and then the impossible dream…the elites dream of hell on earth will realize in real time where no one moves on. I see it already, the telebubbies, the burkas all moving in sync across the barren hills as they bury their brains in unison…and elites rejoice that ‘they are all slaves now”.

  3. I R A Darth Aggie says:

    August 27th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I was in the CAP back in the day.

    “Hitler Youth”? I invoke Godwin’s Law.

    QEfnD

  4. DavidBrennan says:

    August 28th, 2012 at 2:28 am

    Godwin’s law seems to be getting “invoked” a ton recently in discussions about the U.S. Maybe there’s a reason for that.

    Anyway, I’ll just repeat my earlier point from a related previous post of the cops dolling up the kids in their own death costumes: the kids (and probably boys in general) are being taught to serve the government and be wealth consumers in the military and police rather than wealth producers in the private sector.

    In my line of work (somewhat primitive computer animation), I work with many engineers and architects. The disparity in skills between foreigners and Americans is so vast it’s almost hilarious. American men….can’t….build….ANYTHING. We have to have foreigners (from India, China, the UK, Mexico wherever) create everything for us.

    It’s a lot easier for a 16 year old boy to look at, say, a complex engineering schematic and throw up his arms and say, “F— this sh–! I’ll just prance off to the military and kill defenseless third world peasants instead of all this work! Plus, the girls will love me, and Uncle Sam will pay for my Viagara!”

  5. M. Terry says:

    August 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I R A Darth Aggie – the key phrase, I believe, is “back in the day.”
    However, “back in the day” I went to a martial arts dojo with a kid who wanted to become a police officer. I asked him why. He looked at me with a straight face and stated that he wanted to look someone in the face and shoot them with a .357. Maybe he was kidding. Oh yeah – he became a police officer.
    The people I knew in school who pursued careers in law enforcement were mostly kids who were considered dorks. (I was pretty much a dork too – just didn’t want break down doors, shoot people and their pets, handcuff their children and arrest those gawd awful pot smokers.) Tired of being teased, apparently they decided they wanted some payback. Don’t like being bullied? Become a state-sanctioned bully and get some payback. At least one rookie officer I knew quit after a few years when he got religion after learning what law enforcement was really like.
    It’s even worse now. THE “old timers” who thought of themselves as “peace officers” are being routed out, and newbies who never learned any thing about either the Constitution and Bill of Rights (except how those documents don’t matter) are being handed M4 carbines, body armor and being set forth on the community.

    To wit: One murder in NYC, nine people shot by police. Police shooting a homeless man – who, it appears to me, is walking away, and thus not presenting a threat, 47 times: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/249965-Police-Shoot-Mentally-Ill-Homeless-Man-46-Times

    Oh, and there’s lot’s more. Google “the only ones” sometime. Or check out police brutality on YouTube, if you have several days to watch the stuff that’s happened to have been been recorded. Which is likely a miniscule fraction of what really goes on.

    IMO, Godwin’s law is a weak dismissal of what was presented here. This was not a case where the discussion ultimately degraded to a reference to Hitler – there was an immediate and direct connection. If it walks like a duck, etc.

    Incidentally, my father was an Air Traffic Controller. I knew CAP personnel and cadets “back in the day.” Never saw anything like what was in Karen’s article in CAP either, “back in the day.” Perhaps northern New Mexico was just more laid back than our betters in the cities.

    Besides, if a corporate pilot is concerned, perhaps there’s merit to the story – Godwin’s law notwithstanding.

    In my opinion, the fundamental principle “those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” isn’t diminished by valid reference to Hitler Youth, or to that period of history. The post by the pilot story was actually regarding directly analogous conduct. Is a reference to Godwin’s law thus relevant to the conversation, or just and excuse to invoke Godwin’s law for the sake of Godwin’s law?

    If the conversation was diminished, how so? A statement of how the pilot’s letter is diminished by the offending reference, then invoking Godwin’s law, would help some of us understand the blanket dismissal of the point.

    Seems that government supports this behavior:

    http://lewrockwell.com/spl4/elementary-schools-training-agents.html

    The above link is just for reference – there’s tons of other info on the net. And much of it is historically analogous to the offensive reference.

    I did like the QEfnD reference, however.

  6. Walt says:

    March 31st, 2013 at 2:39 am

    I spent several years in CAP and find the comparison to Hitler Youth offensive, obscene and irresponsible.

    Civil Air Patrol teaches kids how to work together, respect for themselves as well as others, and a sense of duty to the community.  I realize that in today’s culture, these concepts may seem a bit  strange–and that probably explains why things are as bad as they are.

     If you want to make a comparison to Hitler Youth, the out of control kids of today who leave garbage in the streets while shouting profanities at passers by in an attempt at “coolness” much better fit the label.

    One thing the corporate pilot didn’t realize;  CAP cadets are trained in life saving measures and regularly participate in SAR (search and rescue) missions searching for downed pilots.   They do this on their own time and without pay.   Why?  Because its the right thing to do.

    Young Nazis?  I don’t think so.  Hope for our nation?  Yes.

  7. Danny says:

    October 16th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I agree with Walt. It is highly offensive and obscene to compare CAP with Hitler Youth.

  8. Austin says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    I am in CAP and it is nothing like you try and make it. It is a good organization and it helps build character. While some kids are out doing drugs and believing in your pov, CAP cadets are learning to be leaders and participating in saving lives. If you are ever in a plane crah, it is CAP who is coming to bring you home. And yes it is us as kids who will assist in such an operation. 

  9. Bill F. says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Talk about ill-informed and fear mongering.

    I highly suggest you look up what the Civil Air Patrol is before posting ignorance like this again.

    The Civil Air Patrol has been volunteering its time since 1941 to help the Community, State and Nation.
    To the person claiming he couldn’t join the Civil Air Patrol because of his eye sight, that is a lie. There are no eyesight regulation in the Civil Air Patrol and there hasn’t been since the early 1940′s when the CAP was defending America’s coastlines from Nazi and Japanese subs.

    In today’s Civil Air Patrol we do things like search and resuce for lost aircraft and are responsible for saving approximately 100 years per life. We do things like work with the communities to make sure those that need food get it during storms. We do things like aerial recon for floods and other natural disasters.

    We help the youth learn leadership and respect. We help youth get into colleges across the country.

    We don’t force anyone into the military.

    Seriously, you need to take a step back from your high horse and read up on what the Civil Air Patrol is and what it does.

    Stop fear mongering.

  10. N_Dawg says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    I am actually a brainwashed CAP cadet myself. Hitler actually recruited me, you know, so I can rule the world under a cruel dictatorship… you know, because I am a CAP cadet. -Set aside all of the joking around, CAP is a great way for teens (like myself) to get engaged in what we potentially want to do with the rest of our lives. For example, I want to work in emergency medicine. CAP has given me the tools to succeed such as first aid training, and other hands on activities. But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so apparently, I am brainwashed and going to rule the world. :) 

  11. Krista says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Clearly, the author of this post knows nothing of what Civil Air Patrol is or what it is we do. Cadets, of which I am a former one and current Senior Member, are taught leadership through an extensive, well designed leadership program that uses aviation as its vehicle. The reason for the uniforms is simple, we are the Official Auxiliary of the United States Air Force and as such, they have allowed us to wear the uniform. While it is true many cadets wish to pursue a career in the military, many others have gone on to successful careers in aerospace, medicine and even law. We do not suggest the cadets join the military, however, many do and in fact, more than 10% of each entering class of the US Air Force Academy are CAP Cadets. Many more have gone on to do great things within the military. For instance, Astronaut Eric Boe is a member of CAP. The first woman member of the USAF Thunderbirds and current fighter squadron commander, Lt Col. Nicole Malachowski was a cadet. The young pilot who brought back a shot up A-10 that never should have made it, was a CAP Cadet.
    Currently, a former Cadet of the Year is a member of NASA. Therefore, to compare CAP cadets to Hitler youth, none of which have ever gone on to achieve any of these great achievements is reprehensible and ignorant to say the least. Furthermore, many of our cadets have gone on to public service as firefighters, police officers and paramedics because of the life saving mission CAP has whereby if one is lost, we look for you. In fact, we conduct over 95% of all InlandAir Search And Rescue operations for the USAF. We have the largest fleet of privately owned GA aircraft in the nation. So, the next time you go up in your fancy little corporate jet, remember, the ‘Hitler youth’ as you put it are on alert to go out and rescue your butt should you ever have the unfortunate chance of crashing. These kids are professional in everything they do and some of us would likely be on the street without the structure and discipline of this organization and its design to allow the cadets to lead themselves.

  12. Krista says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    @ Cory, We don’t check your eyesight to be a pilot. If you passed the FAA Medical and hold a valid Private Pilot’s certificate, you could become a pilot for CAP. Clearly, you have us confused with the US Military who would check your eyesight.

  13. Alec says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    If you did not know Civil Air Patrol is actually composed mainly of adults called “Senior Members” The main purpose of these senior members is to, with assistance from the cadets, conduct search and rescue operations. CAP is responsible for about 90% of the overland Search and Rescue operations assigned the the Air Force. Seeing that it is a volunteer organization it saves the Air Force and DoD a lot of money by conducting these operations. You would have known this if you would have properly researched a topic before writing inaccurate, untruthful and ignorant comments about it. I would greatly appreciate it if you would do the proper research on topics that you decide to write about. If you do not then how are you any better than the people that you are claiming to be brainwashing my fellow cadets and I.

  14. Krista says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    @ Cory, furthermore, we are volunteer, therefore, we are not paid and hence it is not a job.

  15. Daemyrs says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    As a former Civil Air Patrol Member, and an admin of the largest CAP page on FB, this offends me. The Hitler Youth truly brainwashed. Is teaching 12-21 year olds search and rescue, drug reduction, and leadership traits so evil? If so, then I’m so sorry. While most aren’t, I know some paramedics who started with CAP. Think about that next time you ever have a medical emergency, my friend.

  16. Ben Daniel says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    I’m really confused here – did the author of this post do any research AT ALL on the Civil Air Patrol beyond the 15-second Google Image Search for “CAP cadets in formation”, or was she just trying to milk some page hits by posting some reactionary stuff she knew wasn’t in any way representative of the subject of the post?

    I was in the CAP for 6 years as a teen, and ended up being the highest ranking cadet in my state for a time – not for love of the military (I did not join the military after CAP), but out of friendship and for learning interesting and useful skills. During my tenure, I learned not only leadership skills (“do as I do, not as I say”), but piloting skills, search-and-rescue, first aid, and desert survival skills (living in Arizona, this was quite valuable.) While there might be some kids who join for the “look at me I’m in the Air Force” aspect, they don’t tend to last very long in the “real” CAP – you know, the one that goes out and finds downed airplanes, lost hikers, crashed boats, etc. In fact, those tended to drop out after about two years once they figured out there was actual work involved in learning those SAR skills.

    Oh, and this was all in a non-compulsory, voluntary, not-actually-run-by-the-government organization that is only partially government funded… but barely so. An organization that has a hard time recruiting kids to fill out the future adult search and rescue roles except for the promise of reduced-fee training for a general aviation pilot’s license. I was not coerced into joining, I was not compelled into staying, and I was not trained to do anything remotely associated with governmental control (or whatever “brainwashing” it is you think happens there.)

    If there is anything sinister about the CAP, it’s that it has done a poor job of marketing what its very valuable and necessary search and rescue mission is, and because of that, people like this article’s author can stir up uninformed contempt and avarice from people unwilling or unable to do their own research – all targeted at an organization that I look back on with fondness. To compare it to a totalitarian anti-semitic hate group is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

  17. great white north says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    This is highly offensive, course people never do their research just look over a pc and then call it. I’ve spent one week in hell (S.A.R) to learn how to save a life and how to act as a team and most are in it for the “rank” but very few now in days can act like civil leaders not what i say is law.

  18. Joe says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    I am currently a Civil Air Patrol cadet and take offense that someone who does not take part in CAP is so quick to judge us. CAP is a great program that helps teenagers who want to go into a career involving aviation or the military get a head start. CAP also helps adults gain more knowledge in the military and aviation field. There are multiple events and activities that Cadets and Senior Members (participants over the age of 21) can be involved in that help us advance our education and training in the fields of search and rescue, disaster relief, etc. Members have died (mostly adults in this case) to benefit America and help with war efforts. Please don’t be disrespectful to those that have given their lives and others that have selflessly given their time, money, and energy for this program, and more importantly, America.

  19. Jimmy DiMonie says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    This got sent to me today. After reading, laughing hysterically, and then smirking at that sheer ignorance, I decided that I should be the voice of reason. First off, I was a cadet in CAP. 3 years in. Do you guys even understand how CAP works? It’s paramilitary, yes, but so aren’t fire departments. What about fire departments that have junior firefighter programs? Or the BSA. There’s already an anti-military sentiment here.

    CAP made me not want to join the military rather than make me gung ho about it. Personally, I realized 4-6 years of mandatory service and stop loss isn’t the best route for me. That’s my personal feelings. I got a taste and didn’t up liking it. Oh well, that’s me personally.

    Now that we’ve cleared that up, let’s get into what the majority of CAP cadets are. The majority of CAP cadets are kids looking to learn leadership skills and do volunteer service. I hate to compare to the BSA, but it’s the same idea in some senses. You promoted? Here’s a ribbon! You went to an activity and made it through? Here’s a ribbon and patch! It’s awards. There’s positions and a chain of command, just like any other business or entity out there. Cadets work hard to promote and get these positions. They learn a lot of CORPORATE skills, not military skills.

    Ever even bother to meet one of these kids? Doubt it. Ask most of them what they want to do, they’ll shoot back with whatever interests them. Some want to join the military (which is their reason for joining most of the time, so it’s CAP making them want to join), some want to do public service (firefighters, EMTs, police, etc.), and some just want regular ole jobs. Are they different than regular teenagers? Mostly yes. Most are smarter and have A type personalities or are at least trying to better themselves. Are they military drones? Are you kidding me? Nope. They’re kids. They don’t run around screaming MURICA FUCK YEAH! or I SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT! Most cadets don’t like the NSA, how the government is run, and can get pretty vocal about it. They’d actually be better examples of people in uniform NOT blindly supporting the government than you OR the average voter.

    Lastly, you’re nuts to compare this to the Hitler Youth. There is no resemblance. A picture of people doing drill doesn’t cut it. Get over yourself. If you want to see places that make blinded people who support a cause for no reason, look at you. Your political agenda has you so blinded you can’t even take the time to go out and see what it’s really like in CAP. 

    Sheep. 

  20. Sean says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    I agree with those above. The comparison to Hitler Youth is offensive and obscene. I see Boy Scouts in uniform, football players, field hockey players, and judo students that look like white ninjas. It is a part of belonging and identity as part of the unit. My “cadets put in 2493 man hours during hurricanes Irene, sandy, and TS Lee. A bus ;load of college age gov’t program people showed up. They were past useless, just sitting and griping and getting in the way. We sent them packing. My 12 year olds worked up to 17 hour days and were more disciplined than many of the adult workers. They learn to stay in school, work HARD for what they want(excellence), be good citizens(volunteer service), have integrity(something missing in most youth today), and actually show respect to others. Find all that in your average government schooled student. It is few and far between. In CAP it is a part of your life for life.

  21. 2dLT Ian Johnston CAP says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    I guess that along your line of argument the boy scouts (http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/be075835.jpg?w=625) girl scouts (http://www.marching.com/photos/2011-portland-grand-floral-parade-floats-pictures/girl-scouts.jpg) and high school marching bands(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Rosemount_High_School_marching_band.jpg) must also be equivalent to the Hitler youth. I mean just look at the pictures of them marching in uniform that I cherry picked from a search engine to prove my case.

  22. Hydralupis says:

    January 27th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    The more that I read this article and the responses the more ticked off I became.  Civil Air Patrol is in no way similar to anything remotely involving Hitler.  To see a person relating them in anyway is downright disrespectful.  I understand that from an outside point of view we may seem to just ‘follow in the military’s footsteps’, but that’s not what is actually happening in the organization.  We have no obligation to join the military after Civil Air Patrol, at all, the real reasons are to learn how to better ourselves and our community.  

    It may seem a bit far-fetched to think that a ‘kid’ would like to help the community but it happens.  We learn things and experience unique opportunities that many kids wouldn’t have as they drift through life.  Just by being a part of this program I have met some of the nicest and kindest individuals that I could not have met any other way.  This program is so special and does so much good for children and communities… Why would you feel the need to deride Civil Air Patrol with no true reason?

    I am a proud member of Civil Air Patrol.  I enjoy helping younger kids to step out of their shell and become a part of something bigger than themselves.  We aren’t just a team, we are a family.  I am apalled to see that someone has disrespected my program so much.  We do so much and receive no credit, but that’s not what matters.  What matters is that we help because we WANT to help, because it is the RIGHT thing, not for our own selfish gain.

  23. Karen De Coster says:

    January 28th, 2014 at 5:51 am

    Post away, people – I am enjoying the shit out of this.

  24. Nate says:

    January 28th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Of coarse the offended blog poster refers to reason as “shit” becuase more sophisticated words cannot be used. Sounds very credible right?

    I myself am in the Civil Air Patrol, ive loved  it since day one. I has done nothing but help me and give me some good times. 

    *Liberals, the fall of american freedom.*

  25. Brandi says:

    July 31st, 2014 at 3:42 am

    Karen,

    You, Ma’am do a great disservice to those who volunteer their time to help others. Some of the finest men and women I have ever met were found in CAP. Civilian lawyers, engineers, teachers, and members of our armed forces help make CAP something that makes a difference, for good. “I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than be ignorant.” I find the use of this very noble sentiment sickening when used as a shield to conceal your rather ironic lack of integrity.

    In fact you illustrate perfectly the need for CAP’s cadet program. To teach children the critical thinking skills they will need as adults so that they will never have to end up working with the likes of you.

    It’s been fun berating you, but I’ll let someone else have a go now.
    Cheers!

  26. George says:

    August 5th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Clearly, the offended posters have taken offense about a straw man point that Ms. DeCoster did not make. No one denies that the CAP or the Boy Scouts contain folks with good intentions. The Wehrmacht had patriots who used both rifle and fire brigade bucket to serve their fellow man. She despises groups that start in innocuous ways only to morph into standing armies that oppress their fellow man. To wit: the Praetorian Guard, the SA, the SS, and countless others. Even the puppies in Orwell’s Animal Farm grew up to become the tyrant’s bodyguards.

  27. Walt says:

    June 28th, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @George

    Sir. How does an organization like the CAP morph into a standing army that will oppress it’s fellow man? I retired from federal military service have never oppressed anyone. I never received orders to oppress anyone. For 200 years, our armed forces never oppressed anyone. Sheesh. I will never understand the liberal mind.

  28. Karen De Coster says:

    July 6th, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    “Liberal mind”? No, try libertarian. And you are a Billy O’Reilly right winger, right?

    All of these organizations exist for the ends of glorification of the state and its military. Things have changed in 50 years, if only you’d bother to look.

  29. Dave says:

    July 27th, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    I am involved in Civil Air Patrol and I am not offended at all, mostly because I don’t care what this person thinks of CAP.

    I know what CAP is, and what the organization stands for, and this author clearly does not, and may not even care to for that matter.

    This pilot is just too much…you see a group of youth standing in formation, you Google a picture of the Hitler Youth think these two organizations are similar or the same? Saying that’s a leap is clearly an understatement.

    In fact, I could make all sorts of crap up with the level of research this pilot did.

    This article is little more than a swipe at CAP.

  30. Walt says:

    March 8th, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @Linda

    ““Liberal mind”? No, try libertarian. And you are a Billy O’Reilly right winger, right?”

    I have no clue what libertarian means anymore. Reading your comments reminds me of the sixties radicals. Your sentiments seem to echo those of Jane Fonda.
    And yes, I have bothered to look, having spent 30 years in the military. Do some real research.

  31. David Moseley says:

    March 11th, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    The person beating up on CAP can be summed up in two words- IGNORANT ASS!

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