The Police State Hates Tinted Windows

Thursday, April 11, 2013
Posted in category police state

Just recently, a friend of mine was stopped by the Michigan State Police for having committed the insidious crime of driving her vehicle that has tinted front windows. Tinted windows are regulated by individual states, and in the era of vehicle customizations for artistic purposes, they have become immensely popular, and thus they have also become a favorite target of the police harassment state. You can read an overview of the individual state laws here.

My friend was given a hefty ticket, and she could only avoid the monetary punishment by producing a prescription or a note from a doctor. She only recently bought the car, in used condition, with the windows already tinted. So she immediately reached out to two doctors she sees regularly, and she obtained, yes, a prescription from one doctor and a ‘doctor note’ from her second doctor. It’s easy to make crap up – these docs can spin it any way they want. She sent me copies of the doc note and the prescription, and I found both of them to be hilarious and heroic.

I have another friend who lives in the city of Detroit, where he has been ticketed numerous times for his window tint. He usually gets stopped by the same couple of cops. He is black, a large man, and he is a Muslim – and with his facial hair one can certainly tell that he is a Muslim. Each time he is stopped he is needlessly harassed, and still, he has refused to get rid of the tint. He is a very security-oriented person, and he likes his privacy, especially for his wife when she is driving alone.

On that note, I’ve always wanted a dark tint for both of my front windows, but I haven’t wanted to bring on the harassment that is sure to come with it. When I am stopped by bully cops for other reasons, the results have never been gainful. I have a Honda Element that has the rear windows tinted dark at 35% (legal in Michigan), with no significant tint on the front windows. Quite frankly, I am tired of being ‘checked out’ by strangers in vehicles next to me, especially at red lights.

I often have males – usually in work trucks or raggedy jalopies –  making very blatant and unshakable visual contact with me. Even if I creep upward a few feet at the light to avoid their disturbing stare, they also creep up in order to roll right next to me. I’ll creep forward again, and they do the same…again. These are not rare occurrences. It’s gone so far as to have men (and cars full of male teenagers) roll down their windows and verbally harass me, even while I continue to look straight ahead and ignore them.

Dark tinted windows would help to solve some of these troubles I experience. Additionally, here in Detroit it is disturbingly common to have your windows punched out in order for thieves to steal the contents inside the vehicle, even when vehicles are parked in very public (busy) places. One bag or box in your vehicle is a huge enticement for the scavenger thieves to bust in. Dark windows are an impediment to theft because street criminals are more likely to take the risk of breaking into a vehicle when they can observe the vehicle’s contents.

The tale is that tinted windows became an enemy of the police state because of cops being shot while approaching vehicles with dark tinted windows. Dark windows do limit visibility, but if that were true, the same could happen with passengers behind the front seat in any car, or especially from the rear in an SUV. However, many states allow darker tinted (or unlimited tint) windows in the back of vehicles, as well as the rear of SUVs. Often, the allowance for tint on the front windows is dictated by how dark the back windows are tinted.

One reason the cops hate dark windows is because they serve as an impediment to the cause of breaking down individuality and suppressing driver autonomy. Since the roads have become a virtual forum for perpetual police harassment, road stops nowadays are anything but routine. Even the most harmless traffic violations end up with drivers being intimidated and interrogated by legal gangsters with plastic badges and plastic glocks. If you have ever been stopped in recent times, you will note how cops will approach your car – even when they have full visibility – as if you are a criminal, and they will talk to you as if you are guilty of a crime until deemed innocent upon their cross-examination. Though the law enforcement harassment community claims this approach is necessary for officer safety, there are far more sinister reasons as to why innocent citizens who are being stopped for myriad “violations” are being treated as road felons.

The other issue with tinted windows is seat belt regulation. That is, the revenue raisers aren’t able to observe the lack of a seat belt through dark windows. That makes it impossible for them to stop and ticket peaceful drivers in order to keep the dough flowing into the local coffers to pay for the enlargement and advancement of the militarized-bureaucratic police state as well as the magnificent retirement bonanzas for its dedicated soldiers.

The crusade to harass drivers with tinted windows has become so villainous that the cops are now using light transmittance meters to measure the amount of light that comes through the windows. An article from Government Technology states:

Police around the country are starting to use a $200 device to crack down on vehicle window tint violators.

…Most states have had regulations in place for years limiting the amount of tint allowed on the front windows of a vehicle, but the availability and lowering cost of technology is allowing police to concentrate on enforcing such regulations more aggressively. In Aurora, police issued 291 citations for illegal window tint during the first five months of this year, whereas last year, officers only issued two citations during the first five months.

In fact, in Aurora (IL), events are held where the voluntary slaves can show up and have their windows checked by the bullies – for free! – and thus know whether or not they need to have the tint removed. That reminds me of my Neighborhood Watch group that holds an annual “Fingerprint Festival” where all the gleeful serfs show up at the neighborhood park to get their free hot dogs and partake in an ice cream social while they get voluntarily fingerprinted by the local police department as a way of showing their obedience to their Masters. I wish I was making that up, but alas, this is my neighborhood’s annual celebration of freedom.

Always remember that the real reason trotted out for this inane regulation restricting your rights with your own property is to protect you from yourself while also protecting innocent citizens who may be a casualty of your domain of darkness.

“The dark tinting found on some vehicles can result in reduced visibility for those drivers in their ability to see other traffic or objects, especially at night,” Ferguson said in a news release.

“The intent of our enforcement is to target violators that have modified their vehicles beyond factory specifications and what is allowed by law with excessively dark tinting on their vehicles that creates a hazard to others.”

In that case, there’s a whole lot more that has to be heavily regulated, including a driver’s mental faculties, driver age, car design, the visually bothersome sunset and sunrise, and even weather and darkness.

As to my friend, her ticket was dismissed by the magistrate. Next month I have to see my doc for some routine stuff, and I hope to wheedle him into giving me one of those permission slips. I’m sure if I look hard enough I can find something in my medical history that can justify it.


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30 Responses to The Police State Hates Tinted Windows

  1. Bill says:

    April 11th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    This is yet another example of the police deciding that their safety comes before the safety and/or comfort of citizens.

  2. Bill Botkovich says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Leaving the Police State to the side for a moment… put yourself in the shoes of the LEO who wants to go home at the end of his shift to greet his clueless/loving family at least one more time… What’s going on behind the tinted window?!? Should I give a krap… let the pernicious illegal firearm point to someone else later down the road… anyone other than me… or… should I be that dreaded Hero, pump out my chest, swallow my pride, and wallow in the shit that Getting Involved can only promise?

    I don’t know too much about the LEO’s apprehensions in these scenarios (I can imagine)… but I can pretty easily figure out MY civilian role in this equation… Don’t fuck around… keep my two hands plainly visible at all times, if the windows are tinted at all, roll them down 100% the moment the turrents turn on, turn on your interior lights, open your glove compartment…

    If any of these actions might pose a risk to you… you’re plainly The Bad Guy the LEOs are always dreading… keep acting badly (like with the tinted windows) and see where it brings you in life…

    After you recuperate (if you survive), you’re a bit older, a bit wiser… and your next cars NEVER have window tinting… right?

  3. Muntly says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 4:00 am

    Tinted windows are the modern day burqa.  Just try walking into a bank with your face covered. Males simply NEVER dress up in burquas to conceal themselves and evil intent

  4. Mike Schroeder says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 6:17 am

    I live in Texas where, judging from the list, a darker tint is allowed compared to other states (25% emittance on the front and sides; no restrictions on the rear). I’m not sure why this is the case. Perhaps it’s because of the more intense sunlight here. I don’t know. But it’s a good thing for me, as I have an SUV which is set up as a work vehicle (I’m a remodeling contractor), and it is full of tools, which are a favored theft item for thieves.

    My question is, if decreased driver visibility is the reason for disallowing dark tint on front windows, why is there such a wide variance from state to state of the percentage of light emittance? What is the criterion “they” utilize to determine this?

  5. J D Gold says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 6:30 am

    Haven’t you been getting bad headaches ever day from glare when you drive more than a few minutes? But you never have HA at other times. Probably you have no other neurological symptoms, and would get an MRI or other brain scan if window tinting didn’t help. Didn’t a friend with a similar problem mention that a deep tint on windows had helped him?

  6. William Faust says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    What is the name of the Aurora Watch group?

  7. Michael says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Would you believe that the “Live free or die” state (New Hampshire) has a strict ban on front-window tinting? The less-free neighbors to our south, in Massachusetts, enjoy rather “liberal” tint laws.

    I know this because I recently moved north from MA to NH. In MA, they use the 35% threshold to establish legality. In NH, it’s effectively 0% for front windows (I believe rears can be 35%).

    You will not be able to get a valid vehicle safety inspection sticker with windows that are in violation in NH.

    I only bring this up because NH is heralded as a free-state. And it pretty much is, except for it’s draconian tint laws. I believe it’s the legacy of some police officer turned state rep who authored the law under the false notion of “officer safety”.

    Meanwhile, you’ll see plenty of LEO vehicles with totally blacked out windows.

    What’s good for the goose ain’t so for the gander.

  8. Murf says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Dear Ms. DeCoster:

    Thank you for an informative piece.  I have read your articles on Lew Rockwell for some years now, and am  usually very interested in what you have to say. I am an American military vet, disabled, living abroad in the UK with my family.  I am going to address some of what you raised, but more of other triggers of thoughts and concerns it raises in my mind about living in the USA.  PLEASE be patient, and I am sorry this is long.

    This may wander a bit as you bring up so many liberty issues in a short bit, with a citizen needing to contrive an exemption to at least mitigate police harrasment for the crime of wishing to have their vehicle suit their purposes.  I hate the gun control here in the UK, and the nanny state, but one thing I never, ever worry about is roadside police harassment  is often described in the USA.  I am not saying police here never cause grief.  From taking the time to watch some UK cops style shows to see what they consider good policing, since those shows are propaganda purposes, I do see the bs and demands for instant compliance, Beimg meek, etc, that the USA has, but as a rule, it takes ten times as much effort to attract their attention, and the response of police is MUCH more polite, much nicer as a rule, especially if you are polite to them.  They never stake out pubs at closing time to get DUI numbers up, and stuff like that.  In general, the police do almost nothing here, and are not much good for crime, and you would think the Brits would want guns as a result, but the mentality is so SCARED of guns here after decades of propaganda you cannot believe it.

    So the police here in the UK are decent, but I HATE gun control here.  I just HATE not being able to legally have a pistol, or rifle, or so called assault rifle.  If I come to the USA I would even consider getting a federal license to do modest online ammo dealing and home production, and to get weapons cheaper for my family.  ANY such action, here, is just impossible since they pretty much banned everything citizens might want to have, and could have, for self defense.  I do NOT consider it being armed to legally (with licenses, checks, etc) to have a pistol stored under lock and key at a range ONLY for use at a range, so I do not bother.

    I come from a very famous police family in the USA, and one of my relatives, an uncle, is one I am sure you would know about if you wish to write to me offline.  My father was a police office for four years before switching to the fire department, where he served thirty years of distinction, decoration, and danger.  Both of them said things were changing by the time they retired, the nature of the job, the mentality being directed, cops lying to get arrests and ahead, etc.  A lot of guys I knew from OCS went into police forces as civilians.  The irony is the most of them that I considered with great integrity got sick of it, quit at about the five to eight year mark.  The authority mngers, however, made it a career and stayed on, to my knowledge, fifteen or more years onward.  There is a worrying shift in policing, and it has been made by the introduction of so many combat vets used to battle in an urban setting, kicking in doors, disarming Iraqis (the first gun control Iraq had was thanks to the USA), Afghanis, etc into US police forces that are now hyper militarized and equipped, told they are “fighting a war.” It was notable in New Orleans, post Katrina, the way the first government presence was an armed convoy of soldiers, swat, and contractors, and that refugees in the football stadium were held as prisoners, rather than as free citizens who could leave on their own initiative.    There is so much to worry about that it leads me to a question I would very much like to ask your readers and yourself.

    I want my youngest children, who have never known America, to know their country.  As a whole, I find the gun control issue here sickening.  I am no longer, as I was in my youth, a practiced able bodied martial artist and soldier.  I am crippled, and if facing a home invasion, the only way to defend myself and family would be with a gun.  In the UK I would be arraigned on illegal weapons charges (five years in prison), and then at least manslaughter, for doing what would be entirely legal in the USA.  With reciprocity in treaty, I would then be considered a felon in the USA if I committed a crime of defending my family here, so would then be permanently barred ownership of weapons (I personally think a man who has served his sentence should NOT be prohibited guns, but that is the law, because the 2nd Amendment does not say the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed “except felons”…).

    I want to be able to teach my children how to safely handle and use guns.  I wish to make a small machine tool work shop with 3d printers, CnC machine, lathes, etc.,ammo press, get into general gun smithing, robot building, energy research, you name it, but key would be taking apart, rebuilding, maintaining guns, making our own ammo, etc., as part of their home schooling experience (a far more interesting and open ended “shop” class than would be allowed in any school).  I will be learning right along side them, and this is a decision I would like to make within a year simply because they are getting older, and so am I.

    I do however wonder what kind of nation I would be returning to, especially regarding just normal interactions with the police.  I abide the laws, BUT almost anyone can be considered as violating some law, some regulation somewhere, somehow just to engage in normal life and commerce it seems.  I was disatisfied with the USA and Bush in 2000ish, 2004, and having left then, am more disgusted by what has taken place since.  I read numerous stories of police abuse, something I NEVER experienced or heard of in my youth (I am sure it happened then, it just seems epidemic now), and it seems that the police have turned from a force that may always have raised revenue via tickets to one that is working hard to staff prison industry and abuses the hell out of citizens.  Is it REALLY common?  Are there any places to live that are decent with cops that respect rights?  Is it a matter of police becoming more confrontational in general as things change or is it really becoming a crisis where police are a serious danger?  I do not want my kid run through a legal (and expensive) ringer for what would be chalked up to kids being kids here in the UK.

    Also, I read, all the time, about people prepping for “the collapse.”  I am sure something bad financially is on the horizon, but honestly, I do not know how good or bad it really is in the USA.  The news and the presentation of it, even via web is different than living in the USA.  I have my own horror stories of insurance reneging on paying and needing multi year court actions to enforce contract (which never occurs here in the UK it seems), but is this likely in your, and your reader opinions? I do not want to come from a place I do not like, but tolerate, to a nation teetering between massive police oppression  and economic disintegration.  Certainly the laws passed by Bush, Obama, PATRIOT act, NDAA with indefinite detention, Homeland security buying billions of rounds of ammo, thousands of light tanks/APCs, etc  make it very worrying, especially with all of the FEMA camps that “do not exist” but are well documented, well equipped, and staffed for “something” coming.  I would just like some INFORMED opinion from someone who is living there (and if people think real collapse is coming, financial, police state, food, economy, everything, why not get out?).

      I worked counter drug ops as a military attaché after coming out of a special forces unit.  It turned me from an ardent pro police state drug warrior to a drug libertarian, and directed me toward libertarianism in general, and spurred me to great research into drugs, and I now see why the corporate state was so threatened by hemp.  I could give a quick run down,  if you wished, because having been an entirely self trained engineer, successful to the point the IEEE had me serve as a judge at engineering contests and DARPA invited me to participate in think tank and conference, work, I came to understand the serious benefits that could have accrued on a hemp economy that would have reduced petrochemicals, pharmaceuticals, cotton, lumber, steel, and other industries with a variety of products.    I won’t list them here without invite, but the benefits are incredible, and I have also seen perfect examples of technology suppression in and outside of that arena.  It is clear to me that the USA is a corporate dictated state, and that the nation is killing proven energy and oil saving tech, and the ability to grow and make materials from hemp domestically that would drop costs for production through the floor, increase fuel efficiency. etc. It may seem weird, but the drug war is a key aspect of technology suppression because it provides the means and guarantees the ends in the suppression of hemp.  ANY tech that becomes uncontrolled and widespread tends to interact in so many interconnected ways that ANY serious limits on it cripples that effect. Think the show and book “connections” as well as the observed multiplying effects of the Internet and cheap computing power in our own lifetimes, not to mention the wave of coming change with 3d printing tech (being able to print weapons, drugs, even pharmaceuticals, tools, toys, you name it).  

    On the plus side, I think everything is getting “out of control” of the powers that be.  That alone may explain the reaction of the police forces and government in its attempts to keep control.  Always, huge amounts of money are spent on something before it bexomes obsolete.  Battleships were bigger, better, most deadly, most expensive, and commissioned in large numbers…right as they became superceded.  Stadiums in America draw masses of public money, almost a sure sign that they may cease being privatey viable at the scales used if they had to self support.  Cathedrals were built all over Europe peaking I believe right before the reformation and the shift away from the Catholic church as spiritual and secular power lead in a politically fragmented world.

    Maybe that is the fate of state power in the USA, about to fall away into fiscal collapse.  The question is, what will replace it, when, and how?
    The real question is separating information from disinfo, and what is a legitimate concern versus what is over hyped.  Part of me says America may be done as a power, but in living somewhere, since it largely has decent people, it may well be a good place to set up shop. On the other hand, is it a place likely to collapse into TEotWaWKI with SHTF and other stuff pushed all over the web.  I believe in preparation  with off grid power, stored food, getting one of those bioenergy grow domes if possible to raise my own food, but it will mean nothing if the USA devolves into a fascist police state.  Is this likely in your opinion, in your reader opinions?  Also if you want details on my “famous police uncle” ask me at the email address I included that is not published.  When you get the name and case, you will then know who I mean incontrovertibly (and famous in a good way, not infamous).

    I guess ultimately, in this wandering essay, my question for you is simple.  Do you think America is salvageable?  Is it worth returning to the USA to exercise gun and property rights, raise my children as Americans, explore a country I have been out of for over eight years now,  if the finances and opportunity permits, or should we just abandon ship.  If we return, WHERE is the best place?  I grew up in Wisconsin, like it, but hate winters, and it only JUST got CCW and I believe legal medical marijuana. It is also pretty high tax. I have a pain condition, and would like to consider medical marijuana as a likely possible replacement to the meds I currently use, and have a CCW, so a state that has those, and easy home schooling without govt interference is key.  I do NOT want California, New York, New Jersey Massachussetts, and similar (high taxes, gun control), so can you recommend good places?  I was in Texas before we moved, Dallas suburbs, and those are no longer very attractive to me.  I guess I am open any place with some economic opportunity (I am an engineer, my wife just did a masters in nuclear medicine here in UK), has access to a city or high amenity towns but is not IN a major city with crime and demographic problems because those are the places that seem to breed police forces and intrusive laws.  Can you recommend a good state and or locality for non interference?  And while it may seem contrary, probably the fields of Montana, Wyoming, etc are not likely prospects since my wife is not keen to live isolated in cattle country.  She has mentioned a preference for New Hampshire (Free State Project winner), Northern Florida, Southern Georgia, Washington State (within an hour or so of Seattle, or at least on Western side of Mountains).  Pittsburgh region in Pennslyvannia seems good still, especially if an outlying town within an hour of the city was nice.  

    I do not want to be in the middle of a major city that may see riots and major disturbance issues, but I do want to be close enough to see a city.  I do not want the police to be robocops or bored revenue raisers looking to prove something.  I would like to live where the police see themselves as peace officers, who maintain peace rather than gin up as law enforcement and that the locality is generally one of live and let live. Preferably, the taxes are low, and the people decent because one thing I miss from the USA, that the UK people do not do much of, is belonging to social organizations (freemasons, IEEE meetings, civil air patrol, boy scouts, various clubs, etc) because, in this internet world, people seem to go to work, go home, lock the rest of the world away.  I would like to find a community to join, participate in, and BELONG, something I have never felt here in the UK after YEARS.  The people (on the plus side) mind their own business mainly, but making friends, having ANYTHING in common, finding common activities where people DO something is almost entirely absent from ANY place I have lived here.  It is nothing I want for my kids.  I want them to grow up DOING things, going places, by themselves or as part of a club, social, voluntary organization, etc.  

    The question that remains for me, is whether the USA is a country to consider living in any more, and if so, where, and under what caveats.  I do hope you have an interest in shedding some light on the matter.

  9. Doc Ellis 124 says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 9:59 am



    One other reason for cop animosity against tinted windows on mundane cars,,,,gangbangers hate competition from non-gangbangers.  Have you noticed that cop cars often have tinting all around? 

    Thank you for writing this essay

    Doc Ellis 124

  10. Noel says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Resistance, a la Claire Wolfe and others who see tyranny clearly, IS to get that ‘permission’ slip, and continuing to have tinted windows. Anything to impede, block, stop or harass the enforcers of silly, social and morality legislation,laws and regulations must needs be done to clog the system, stop the enforcement or make their days without value. “Don’t shoot the Bastards Yet” by Ms. Wolfe was an earlier recognition of the ‘now here’ tyranny and the police state tactics, being used to control our movements, actions and lives. So, Karen, stay active against this encroachment, as will I, and others who are spreading the word on how to resist, using the judo of non compliance. Ghandi, whats-his-name sitting by the lake writing Civil disobedience books, hell, Mr King himself would have tinted their windshield too and without a doctors note!!!

  11. Mike says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Unfortunately, you will still get pulled over even if you do have a “permission slip” so you can produce it. Sometimes a major inconvenience, sometimes not, but you will still have to deal with the police.

  12. jose says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    They complain about the tinted windows on my SUV all the time. But yet they drive around their patrol cars and their unmarked police cars with darker tints than mine! SO its okay for them to have it but not us. It’s just all hypocritical.

    great article!

  13. Wes Spence says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    This happened to me last year.  Texas State Tax Eater followed me from an intersection for about 3 miles.  When we approached the next light the trooper went into the right lane as if to turn but stopped and waited beside me for the light to change.  As I went on my way she pulled in behind me, and about a quarter mile down the road pulled me over.
    I honestly had no idea why the overseer needed to stop me and I asked politely, what was the problem.  She informed me that she had observed the tint on my windows and that she believed it was possibly too dark.  I had informed her that the tint was on the car when I bought it and that I had no problem getting it inspected every year since.  She tested the tint with a meter and confirmed that indeed it was not in compliance with state regulations.  I asked why the ordinance in place and she replied with “public safety”.
    I informed her that I was part of the public and that it did not impede my safety at all and that I had no problem seeing out of the windows.  Her reply was that an overseer may not be able to see in.  My reply was in the way of, “So public safety really means officer safety…right?”, and she conceded to that fact.  She informed me that she was only going to give me a warning this time and that I should get the tint removed or replaced.  After all pleasantries were exchanged she then asked me about the stickers or decals on my rear bumper, and were they on the car when I bought it as well.  I replied puzzled with “No.”, and “Why?”
    She was curious as to what they said or read.  I told her that they were Latin phrases and that was all.  She asked if I might tell her what they were, and I said no, you should write them down and google them for herself.  She said “OK.” and we both went on our way.  I still have not changed the tint, and do not plan to.  The Latin phrase on one side read,”Dum Spiro Pugno.” which I understand to mean, “While I breath, I fight.” It was a phrase written to me in a book I had received from Will Grigg. He is a blogger and a man of truth who writes about the “Police State” in the U.S., and the one on the other side read, “La Terreur Fabriquee”, which probably French and still akin to Latin means “The Fabricated Terror”.  As I drove away I began to think that the real reason she stopped me was to find out what those phrases were.  She had to look for a reason to stop me, and she used the window tint / officer safety reason to justify the detention.  Things really have changed for the mundanes in Amerika since 9-11-2001, and not for the better.  We are being punished for the crimes of others for our safety.  As I have learned recently, it is actually more dangerous to be an offshore fisherman or a lumber jack than it is to be an overseer of the mundanes.  Though we are constantly being told what hero’s these people are for laying there lives on the line for us every day.  They chose the job.  They had to want to do that job more than anything else.  There is no heroism in that.  Same with a solder.  They volunteer.  They go through training in boot camp, of which they can quit at any time before they become full fledged government property.  That does not make a hero.  A hero is an ordinary person that does extraordinary things.  A hero knows charity is the greatest thing.  Charity, in giving of him or her self to others through good works in there community, and neither expects or desires anything in exchange.  The real hero is the mundane that endures the “police state” and lives to inform others of the tyranny of good intentions.        

  14. charlie says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    A little bit off subject but still related to the little-piggy-patrol. I have a radar/laser detector purchased 20 years ago for $50. There are much more expensive ones, but like most products the low end models perform 90-95% as well as the high end models. Mine might false a little more than a fancy-schmancy one. It has saved me countless times from the swine-patrol. I cannot see how anyone drives without one. I feel completely naked when driving a car that does not have one, because I have driven with one the last 29 years. The falsing can be annoying, which is why I suppose a lot of people do not like them, plus there is an art to using them that people also probably do not want to be troubled with. I like to drive the way I want to, not the way the gubment wants me to, and a radar detector lets me know when it is possible to do so. I ‘spose I should appreciate the fact that other people do not want to use them, that way the porker-patrol can get its fill without having to try more serious ways of beating detectors.

  15. MoT says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Of course it’s primarily about how it makes it more difficult for the theiving class “i.e. cops” to identify victims it intends to fleece. Notice, also, that they also berate drivers about keeping their hands in clear view while they stand aggresively near your door. Double standard anyone? And what’s up with those mirrored sunglasses they like to hide behind?

  16. George says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Tinted car windows and police stops come up regularly on Liveleak

    Here a police humiliates an elderly man because he thinks the tint is below something called the AS-1 line, but the cop is mistaken. 

    Man pisses on patrol car after traffic stop
    Read more at 

    This I think is from Europe:

    A cop tries to give a senior citizen a ticket for tinted windows
    Read more at 

  17. DetroitJoe says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    It’s called Photophobia and if you have it ;) get a note from your doctor and tint those windows.

  18. tired dog says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Oddly enough, the darkest tints I encounter are on cop cars.  Almost impossible to see how many jbts are aboard.

  19. RapedExploited says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Great story, which begs the question: If visibility is so important, then how are all my local police supposed to see through THEIR limo-tinted cruisers? Anyone?

  20. Mike Walsh says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    As an avid bicyclist I cringe when I encounter these dark-tinted behemoths at an intersection. Unable to make eye-contact, unable to see their hand gestures, I have no way of knowing if they see me or not. A cute waitress told me how she handles this exact situation: She carries pennies with her when she rides her bike and throws them at the windows or hoods of these discourteous drivers with the dark windows. When then challenged by these irate drivers, she fires back that she’s doing them a favor by helping them avoid a lawsuit. Personally I wouldn’t advise this unless you’re really cute like she was.

  21. farmer Tom says:

    April 12th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Here in Iowa they have now taken away the medical exemption.

    I’ve paid the revenuers at least once for my window tint. And no, I am not taking it off.

  22. Karen De Coster says:

    April 13th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Mike – throwing something at someone who has done nothing to you is an act of aggression. Period.

  23. Jason says:

    April 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am


    New Hampshire might be your best bet. The Free State Project is a great thing and is looking to increase its support and numbers. Libertarians are getting elected to office (as R’s and D’s but elected nonetheless) and they are making an impact. If you are a non-voter, then they still can help you with various forms of education and activism.  There is strength in numbers. I plan to make the move once I finish up some personal goals of seeing America.

  24. The Freeholder says:

    April 18th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    I’m about over the mantra of “officer safety, officer safety, officer safety”. It’s a dangerous job, and you knew that going in. Stop asking politicians to infringe more and more on our freedoms for your safety. If you want a safer job, then quit and go to work somewhere else.

  25. Dick says:

    April 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    I assume that you could, in theory, be sun burned by too much exposure to un-tinted windows. “Prevent” skin cancer. I’m sure most doctors would be all for avoiding the dangerous sun, so you have your excuse.

  26. Brent Sears says:

    July 4th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    People with tinted windows are not self confident, like those wearing sun glass’s inside the mall/store; Afraid to make eye contact.

    Others drive like idiots and try to hide in their “cocoon” so when you catch up to them at the stoplight they think they can “hide”.

    If you have tinted windows and at a 4 way or trying to get out onto the street, I won’t let you in, since I can’t see you to confirm.

  27. Bobbie Jo Justice says:

    October 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    some thug with a badge harasses me over dark tinted windows on my car, and it will be their LAST mistake.

    quit being sheep, lock and load.

  28. Leo says:

    January 21st, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    People who say it’s stupid to outlaw tinted windows are obviously not cops. Put yourself in their positions for a sec, if you pulled someone over, but couldn’t see what they may be reaching for, or how many people are in the car, would you feel safe?

    As for people bitching about police safety vs civilian safety, how many civis do you know that put their life on the line every single day? Very few, I’d imagine. How many civis do you know who are hated for doing their job? Not many (unless you know someone from the IRS or something).

    Stop being paranoid schizos for a few minutes today and think about that.

  29. Leo says:

    January 21st, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Bobbie Jo Justice, you’re an idiot, hope the world sorts you out soon.

  30. Steven Harker says:

    April 5th, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    The police in most states exempt themselves from the law and put 5% limo tint all around their vehicles at the TAX PAYERS expense. They claim it’s for 1) K9 vehicles for the dogs and 2) it’s for safe victim identification. #1 is not a problem but then why are the driver and passenger windows 5% tinted if the dog who in the back cargo area? Regarding #2 the perp will have the right to face his accuser in trial anyway and you can bet there won’t be tinted windows between the two in a court room. Their argument’s for tinting their windows at tax payer’s expense beyond the legal limits just don’t fly. They go around speeding (breaking the speed limit laws) when there is no emergency, tint their windows beyond the legal limit at tax payer’s expense, etc, etc, etc. Who polices the police? Who enforces law enforcement?

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