Steve Lee, the Australian Gun “Moderate”

Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Posted in category guns

After I posted this blog, “Steve Lee Likes Guns and Government Gun Control,” I heard from Steve. So did many other pro-gun bloggers who were critical of Steve. In this interview televised on Australian television, he clearly came off as a suck-up seeking fame and fortune while selling out to the idea of government gun control and limitations on ownership. This letter that he sent to another writer was strikingly similar to the first email he sent to me.

Many folks were fawning all over his (nice) song and video, and they didn’t bother to care that he was selling the ideas of Australian gun control in a television interview. Some of us did pay attention.

This is a long story, but only I agreed to give him a platform for clarifying his views because I thought it would be interesting to readers no matter what my judgment of his views might be. I said I’d send him a list of interview questions that he could answer, and I would publish it here on my website and at LewRockwell.com. I was only interested in the truth, and I was willing to listen to any interesting clarifications. I am always open to unlimited discussion on the gun issue.

In the meantime, I got hate emails from some of his pals exclaiming that I must undo the negativity that had befallen Steve – it was all my fault (and every other writer’s fault who linked to his interview that tells the clear story). Here’s one email I received:

You REALLY need to fix that Steve Lee stuff on your website. Steve is not anti-gun – his comments were taken way oout of context. What you have written on your website does nothing to help our situation here in Australia. Steve Lee and The Shooters Party are working very hard to improve the situation here and these comments you have about Steve are doinbg the exact opposite.

Please fix these comments. I understand that Steve has contacted you already but it needs to be rectified now!!!

Thanks
Matt Graham

Steve’s interview was so poorly done (worse than his original interview he tried to clarify) that I felt that to run it would place him in a very unfavorable light. Steve claims to be a guy who wants to carry a moderate message to the people, as opposed to the “extreme” (unyielding) message presented by us hardcore gun folks here in the U.S. Steve is 100% ignorant of history, the realities of disarmament, and American gun culture. He came off as a guy who was concerned with nothing more than capitalizing on the popularity of his YouTube, and he wanted to use me to advertise for him. He wants to be invited to be a “spokesperson” for gun ownership here in America. He wants to sell records and gain attention. He has big dreams of being “somebody.” For those reasons (and more), I decided not to run the interview this morning. Being armed in defense of your person, property, and family has a far bigger meaning that can never be understood by people like Steve seeking Internet-fed celebrity status.

Steve thinks we all have to “get along” and not criticize him because he is fighting for our freedom. He says we need to be moderates. He thinks we should not criticize his very unmistakable words. Yet he admits that he cannot dare say he has guns for self-defense, because if he does, the Aussie police will show up at his door and confiscate his guns. Steve has chosen slavery because the has been given the “right” to own guns for sport. He likes being a slave because he can still have his occasional bread and circuses as permitted by his government. Steve is like most of the moron masses in that he is willing to sell his soul and his freedom for bits of bread and a few “privileges” here and there.

After realizing that I was right when I told Steve that his interview would not be received well in America (a place where there is a gun behind every blade of grass), he wrote me to say he doesn’t want me to publish the interview. Too late – it had already hit the cutting room floor. Of course I won’t publish Steve’s words, but here is the intro to the interview written by me.

Australian musician and gun lover Steve Lee became an instant Internet phenomenon when a video song he recorded, titled “I Like Guns,” was posted to YouTube in December 2009. Steve’s video was a sensation for several reasons: The song has a nice hook, and Steve has a charming Australian accent and pleasant good looks. Furthermore, the song was a mega-hit in America because, as author Clayton E. Cramer puts it, guns are as American as apple pie.

Americans who are steadfast in their belief to defend their life, liberty, and property are extremely devoted to the notion of gun ownership. They understand the history of totalitarian governments, and how they disarm the citizenry before they can control and confine free people, or, in the worst case, perpetrate mass murder (see R.J. Rummel’s Death by Government on democide figures). Perhaps there is only a small percentage of America’s citizenry completely devoted to their right to own guns without government restrictions, but they are passionate and unwavering, and they speak in volumes much louder than their numbers.

As the author of this interview, I will reveal my view on gun ownership, as it is uncomplicated: I am unforgiving of anyone – especially the allegedly pro-gun yet pro-permit Republican types – who thinks that we need, or should have, a series of licenses and permits (permissions from self-serving authorities) in order to stand prepared to defend ourselves. Anyone who thinks I should have to grovel at the feet of local establishment officials to be granted government licenses in order to exercise my natural rights to defend my life and property is on par with Satan. Elected officials cannot and will not defend me, so I will do it myself, whether or not their authoritarian-tainted paper with my name on it gets their stamp of government approval. And how dare those citizen tyrants who lecture me on the necessity of official government licenses, operating with their minuscule knowledge of the Constitution, the Second Amendment, the traditions of our American roots, and natural rights. And these wretched people believe they are acting favorably to the self-defense view by telling the rest of us they support gun rights if and when our privileges are fully in line with all state permissions and enforced by the jackboots of arbitrary government laws.

As gun advocate Ted Nugent has openly stated, the Second Amendment, along with the understanding of natural rights, is so obvious that it is insane that this issue is an argument. My view: Second Amendment or not, no one should ever declare statements, or issue passes, licenses, or whatnot, that tell another individual where, when, and how (or if!) they can defend themselves (obeying private property rules, of course). How politically incorrect has it become, even among the “pro-gun” Republican-conservative types, to insist, as I do, that there should never be any limitation whatsoever on the ownership and carry habits of firearms, and that anything else is undeniably totalitarian. The NRA has long been limp on this issue. GOA (Gun Owners of America) is better, and JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) is unyielding.

In January 2010 I blogged a post at karendecoster.com that criticized Steve Lee’s interview with A Current Affair, an Australian current affairs program. [See interview here.] Bloggers all around the Internet did the same. In the interview, Steve appears to come off as supporting Australia’s gun controls laws as “a good thing.” Many of us saw Steve as embracing guns as a fun hobby while reducing their real value – protection from crime and tyranny – to mere background noise. Steve’s response was to write several of us to try and explain his views. He states that he was edited in such a way that made him appear to support gun control in Australia, at least at some level. Looking at his bimbo interviewer, and knowing the interview was a product of the socialistic Australian media, one can believe that the purpose of the interview was to make Steve come off as looking like a nut, and perhaps prompt him into appearing to support his country’s gun control efforts. Always, the media tries to paint people who are passionate about guns as “the fringe element.” In America, gun-toting dissidents are smeared as anti-patriotic “right-wing extremists,” and they are painted with an assortment of negative connotations.

Therefore, I decided to give Steve this forum to air out his views. I have some questions to ask him that will help to clarify his views on gun control in his own country, as well as on gun rights overall. I think his American audience would like to see his response in his own words.

In the interview on Australian TV, the interviewer brought up the Port Arthur massacre of 1996, and he responded with, “it was reflected on gun ownership at that time….it was a good thing after that they tightened a lot of the laws up and made it a lot harder for people like that guy to get their hands on guns, which is a good thing.” The Port Arthur incident was not a reflection on gun owners. The killer, Martin Bryant, was a lone lunatic who was not a “gun owner” as us responsible and serious gun owners would define that term. And in fact, Bryant was said to have a subnormal IQ (estimated at 66), he was deemed mentally handicapped, and he was receiving a disability support pension from the government. How does Steve manage to lump him in with legitimate “gun owners”?

In the TV interview, Steve also said, “a lot of people shouldn’t be able to get guns, and I think the Australian gun laws have done a good job of that…..they’ve made it harder for people to get firearms…” And he followed that with, “so I think it’s good.” And he blamed me, and other critical bloggers, for his bad press.

In response to his email today telling me to NOT (his caps) run the interview, here was my response:

After a SHORT consideration, I’m NOT running it anyway, Steve – in case you hadn’t figured that out already. So whoever advised you on this bullshit (one of your buddies who has been sending me hate mails?) is behind the game. You are seeking fame & fortune, and you are looking for people like me, with a large readership, to give you a launch pad, especially here in the United States.

I will NOT give you that launch pad – you are ignorant of history, you are clueless about American independence and gun culture, and yet you want to come here and have people worship at your feet while you spread your suck-up message and talk about MODERATION on the gun issue? MODERATION? Fuck that, pal. Read about American colonial history and then tell me about fucking moderation. Read the intro to my interview about “death by government,” and then tell me about your plans for sucking up to government authorities and the media to win yourself a spot of fame and sell a few records. You spent weeks writing people all over the Internet, begging them to listen to you and publish your “corrected” views. You went nuts trying to get someone to listen to you. And then you blamed us for what YOU SAID on Australian television. You refuse to be accountable for your own *recorded* words. We all got the same type of emails from you. I offered to give you a forum and spend my free time in doing so, and you were unappreciative and a pest.

I’ll tell you what moderation is, Steve – it’s called being a pussy, a pushover, a watered-down sap. Moderation means selling your soul to avoid conflict. Your interview made you look far worse than your TV interview! And you have no clue how _bad_ some of the stuff you said (in the interview) is. You would have been pummeled by hardcore libertarians who read the interview. People would have hated you. You would have received more hate mails than you could handle. I felt too sorry for you to dare put that interview out for people to read. You are also gutless, and you are an enemy to free people. There is no moderation when it comes to freedom vs. slavery, Steve. There’s freedom … or there’s slavery. Have you ever paid attention to history?

You said you couldn’t push the self-defense issue because you’d have the government police at your door the next day to collect your guns, and that is not a legitimate reason for firearms ownership in Australia.

You don’t even know that you are admitting to being a slave. You’d rather be a slave who can “promote his CD” and make money and get attention. Pathetic.

Stay in Australia and shoot at your varmints and anthills and rusty cars. We have something called “independence” and “freedom” to take care of here in the U.S. We care about our ability to live our lives as free people, and to leave behind the same for our children. So go ahead and forward this email to all your friends, as with the other emails – I will take pride in that.

Enough said, as my readers know that I don’t fuck around on this issue. And when someone like Steve, who was seeking the opportunistic route, goes on national television to bring attention to himself and voluntarily makes statements via his own free will, how dare he blame me for pulling the strings that moved his mouth. I will continue to call ‘em as I see ‘em, complete with links to the source. And I don’t care who I piss off.

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11 Responses to Steve Lee, the Australian Gun “Moderate”

  1. Tom Osborne says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 2:48 am

    You caught him limp, like he was a rag doll, and didn’t let him go. Very good. Steve Lee is clearly a statist, through and through. The statist mind set is, “I’M okay, but all those other people are not, THEY need to be controlled by and for people like me.” He seems to fail to understand the statist method, that it starts wherever it can and never wants to stop. It’s the thing that Pastor Neimoller said, which is such a classic, but it bears remembering and contemplating even if a person has heard it a thousand times:

    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out–because I was not a communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out–because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

    And, finally, I could hear you, speaking as “Yoda”, but instead of saying “No. Try not. Do…or do not. There is no try”, you are saying, “Moderation, no. Freedom, or no freedom. There is no moderation.”

  2. Carl Bussjaeger says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Well said. I refrained from writing anything about this clown because I didn’t want to give him anymore publicity. I think we should, at most, give a final resounding “Bite me!” and then ignore his pathetic attempts to gain attention.

  3. M. Terry says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    So – first Steve Lee (and friends) whine and cry about his “treatment” by American bloggers, like Karen and David Codrea. Then he agrees to a platform from which to clarify his position.

    After agreeing to the interview, Karen (who undoubtedly put a lot of thought, and spent a bunch of time constructing the questions for the interview) is then told by Ms. Lee, NOT to post the interview.

    So – what he previously said in his televised interview stands as his position. OK, Steve Lee and supporters, time to STFU.

  4. Richard Laplante says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I’ve never met Steve (or known of his weasel words) before today, but I’d rather stand back to back with you than with anyone who doubts the reason for guns in the hands of ‘the people’.

  5. MamaLiberty says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Wonderful stuff, Karen. I do so love a gal who doesn’t mince words! :)

    I am curious just where all the real MEN in Australia went to. I used to know a few… Bloody shame.

  6. Terence Gillespie says:

    February 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Karen,   Great Call on “Aussie Steve” being no American Idol. Let this ‘contestant’ crawl back to the red clay from which he claims to have hailed. May he never fully realize the Libertarian Shitstorm you saved him from (While blaming you for the same, of course). 
       Yes, we know you don’t mince words,  but, how refreshing to read you not mince them so well!
      Refreshed,   Terence

  7. Granny Grunch says:

    February 25th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Umm…who is steve lee???

  8. Jeannie Queenie says:

    February 26th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    I take it this Steve Lee fellow doesn’t have a 2nd amendment in Kangaroo country. We in America know that George Washington didn’t use his Right to Free Speech to defeat the British…he simply shot them! I recently saw a tee shirt with this message…..”GUN CONTROL: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow more morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.” Seeing that Australia has both an immigration problem as well as a growing Muslim population, one has to wonder why the police would disallow guns for personal protection. With a Socialist Alliance fully entrenched in Wallabee country, Aussies have the “privilege” of giving free housing to the masses of Sri Lankens and Tamils arriving on their shores with no end in sight, but with feelings of entitlement. The cost right before 9/11 was around $7,500 per immigrant…and all on the backs of the Aussies. This video might make you feel a tad better about our growing illegal problem here in the US.
    Muslims of Australia at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvL-Iso18oI

    Knowing that the Imam in this film named his mosque after the Blessed Virgin Mary, would make me, if I were an Aussie woman, keep my gun alongside my rosary before I laid meself down to sleep and pray the Lord my soul to keep! With all the pussy, bleeding Aussie hearts, this would be another good reason for any gal to have protection. You think we are the only ones having problems with illegal immigrants? Check out this video revealing how much Aussies are paying out of pocket for all these immigrants in their midst demanding ‘their rights to housing, food, yada, yada, yada. See The Voice – By Boat at this url… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PruAjfTIZGo And the pathetic pussy cops are telling them, “no guns!! Really now!

  9. M. Terry says:

    February 28th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    You’re right Jeannie – they don’t have a 2nd Amendment Down Under.

    The way I see it is Steve Lee didn’t like being flamed for others quoting his own words – and explaining the real meaning.

    Steve Lee had a chance to state that guns are inanimate objects which can’t perform any act absent the user. Instead, he said that gun control laws in Australia are a good thing. His position is the government can prohibit certain users and that’s a good thing.

    He could have pointed out murder is illegal -no matter which tool is used – and that an armed citizen could have changed the outcome.

    Your illustration of what’s happening down there demonstrates a mindset that the government will take care of any and all problems – just give them the chance.

    Perhaps the fact that the Brits used the place as as a penal colony is the reason that so many of them have the mentality that they should have to ask permission for a natural right – such as the right of self defense.

    Steve Lee tried to leverage his video into an international sensation – then he opened his mouth in something other than a song. Then he and friends flamed Karen for calling bullshit bullshit. He’s a slave, praying for permission to practice his hobby and doesn’t even know it.

    The links you forwarded illustrates that there’s a lot of them there that don’t know they’re slaves. And Steve Lee hasn’t helped the ones who understand their predicament. Some people should stick to singing songs and blowing up cars, and shut up about freedom.

  10. Keith says:

    March 11th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Wow you guys are certainly harsh. 
    I’m Australian, a blogger and I think you guys have a really misunderstood view of gun owners in Australia. Though I won’t defend Steve I do get why he took a moderate approach on national TV. 
    To go out there guns blazing and saying the things you guys would have said would have been bad for shooters in the country. Do I think he took too much of a moderate view in the interview?
    Yes. 
    Would I have answered those questions differently?
    Certainly. 
    My point is that I did think he went too far on the side of gun control He should have said it didn’t work and there is evidence to prove it but he didn’t. Perhaps it was nerves, perhaps he was trying to not be the stereotypical redneck that the media portrays us shooters to be. I don’t know but you guys have to understand in Australia our constitution does not say we have a right to bare arms. We are in a different country from a different culture and we most certainly don’t have the numbers of shooters or the political power as you guys do in the US.

    Our laws suck BIGTIME there is not a doubt about that. They were a knee-jerk reaction and one that we will never recover from. 
    Many of us shooters would do anything to get semi-auto’s back and be able to use hand-guns.
    AT this point our guns have to be locked up.
    They can’t be used for self defense and that is not even a legitimate reason to own one. 
    Plus a whole myriad of other stupid laws.

    What are we supposed to do? Our constitution didn’t protect us like yours did and I don’t see anyone in the US giving a shit about us and even in the OP and the comments none of it was in concern of Australia but how weak we are or some other insult towards our country or its firearm owners. 

    How about you guys give us a hand to help repeal the gun laws we have over here? I don’t see politicians being critical of our Govt nor do I see any form of donations toward our cause (nor do we expect them) But if you are all going to be so critical of my country’s firearm owners rather than our Govt put your money where your mouth is. 

    Karen,
    If you want Aussie perspective in this feel free to interview me. I am not as moderate on gun laws as Steve and feel I can give Australian Shooters a better representation on the subject of gun laws here. 
    Gun Control in Australia DOES NOT WORK. Though I am certainly not as hardcore as you guys and believe that background checks and what not aren’t a bad thing. Our biggest problem is getting guns off of the street and into the hands of Law Abiding Citizens.

  11. kdjfhwui says:

    June 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    You are my intake, I own few web logs and often run out from post :). “The soul that is within me no man can degrade.” by Frederick Douglas.

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