Primal Dissent: My Dialogue With Mark Sisson

Saturday, July 24, 2010
Posted in category Food & Nutrition

My new interview-dialogue with Mark Sisson has been published on today. It’s an unusual interview with an unusual guy, discussing conventional wisdom, lazy modernism, food myths, and exercise fiction.

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11 Responses to Primal Dissent: My Dialogue With Mark Sisson

  1. Elisabeth says:

    July 25th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Wow Karen, 
    The photo at the end of this article is amazing.  This lifestyle is obviously working for you!

  2. Iluvatar says:

    July 25th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    OK – that was a good article.

    Mark will know more about food & dietary issues than I ever will.

    I did have some issues w/ the article, but they are too long to post. I will send an e-mail later in the week (I am off the front end of this week).

    1 thing tho’? Your questions were almost longer than his answers (lol)!

    I also think that it is important to maintain the distinction between folks who are just trying to “right-size” their body (maybe lose weight, etc.), and folks who are athletic, and folks who are competitively training. The techniques are different and it matters.

    I felt bad for Mark’s view towards endurance training, shared some of his feelings, but in the end disagreed with him on that issue (cf. the e-mail when I send). It so important to attack endurance training the right (or better) way. It is entirely possible to make this a fun way to exercise (plus the chemicals that get generated in your brain give you one heck of a “buzz” (WINK!)).

    I was especially daunted by his comment: “A major goal of living Primally is to reprogram those genes to preferentially burn fats at rest and while exercising. The way we do that is to cut the carbs in our diet way back (easy to do if you eliminate most sugars and grain foods) and increase healthy fats. It takes about two to three weeks to transition for most non-athlete folks, during and after which they notice that they lose 2–3 pounds of body fat each week until they hit their ideal body composition.”

    I would love to hear more on this (and I would be repeating myself by saying I eat a high protein, high saturated fat, raw vegetable diet). B/c, frankly, I still feel the need to carbo-load my intervals work-out (pizza on Fridays – Ewwww!).

    When will your new site: “Real food, real fitness, real health …. Plus a lot of wine and dogs.” be up? Can’t wait!

    You may want to give some strong consideration to Egoscue’s exercise through motion. Why wait until you have a back injury to figure out your feet were everted and you had a pelvic twist (me)? $10 says that was 50% of Mark’s endurance pain (remember Jim Ryan – the miler? Dude ran like a frickin’ geek!)?

    Here is a link:

  3. Lauren Grosz says:

    July 26th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Karen, I really enjoyed reading this. It felt as if I was eavesdropping on a stimulating conversation between with a terrific rapport!

  4. Iluvatar says:

    July 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm


    Hey have you seen this? I just got this from a colleague here at work.

    I am absolutely flabbergasted by the results of the study!

    I also can’t share their conclusion; it sure hasn’t happened to me!?!??

  5. M. Terry says:

    July 27th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Same hardbody and world-class gams you had last time I saw you, Karen, and that was quite some time ago.

    Good job on getting the word out. In the mean time, I just saw an article on “plus sized” clothes for infants.

    My brother’s daughters won’t even eat fast food. They don’t like it. All they’ve ever had is the real thing.

  6. Karen De Coster says:

    July 28th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Iluvatar – what junk science!

  7. Alex says:

    July 28th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    M. Terry, I’ve seen the phenomenon that you describe with your young relatives in many children of my own relatives and friends, where they actually prefer “real” food to the traditional junk marketed on Nickelodeon and Saturday morning cartoons. A young, developing brain probably instinctively knows what is right and wrong in nutrition, we just make it other-than-right through conditioning. As with many things, it’s the adults corrupting the children, usually by giving them junk food to “shut them up,” etc.

    Sadly, most inner city kids, like in Karen’s neck of the woods, don’t even go through a “normal diet” stage before the adult brainwashing kicks in, as negligent parents immediately satiate them with McDonalds, etc. as a part of modern, ghetto parenting (or welfare state feedings through school lunch and summer programs).

    McDonalds: I’m Loving It (‘Cause I Was Taught To…)

  8. Karen De Coster says:

    July 29th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Alex – I’m not in the inner city. I work there, but live in the Northern ‘burbs, where it quickly turns rural/farming just north of me.

  9. Alex says:

    July 29th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    I know. Like you, I work downtown in my neck of the woods, Richard Daley Land. Unfortunately, I also LIVE in the city.

    Chicago is just Detroit with a better marketing campaign and an extra coat of paint. Actually, WORSE than Detroit, if you can believe that. Just yesterday, a young black kid, 13, who was NOT involved in drugs, gangs, etc. AND had his own young entrepreneurial enterprise cutting the lawns of old folks and neighbors was shot 22 by some tree-swinger. Yet, “Hizzoner” and all the asswipes on Chicago’s City Council push to take guns out of law-abiding citizens so that they’ll be even MORE at the mercy of gang bangers (who run this city and openly execute police officers, at their OWN home, with impunity).

    Living in America’s No. 1 Hellhole — Obamaland — has killed any faith I had left in a “higher being” and developed a Travis Bickle-ish hatred for this generation of youth. I’m going to have to just suck it up, buy a “beater” (I have a Dave Ramsey-ish hatred of new-car loan payments) and move to the ‘Burbs, myself! Forget Viagra for kids, I wish that there was an RU486 Juicebox that we could feed to all these useless, criminal inner city welfare spawn and make them disappear (retroactive abortions!).

  10. Iluvatar says:

    July 30th, 2010 at 1:01 am


    Trust me, I feel your pain & frustration.

    I used to live in the WORST urbanality/urbaninity in a place called Baltimore (aka Bawmer), aka Bodymore, Murderland. No one beats this place dude!

    And I can tell you that when you look into their eyes; you see nothing other than death.

    It is true what someone (famous) said: the eyes are the vehicle into the soul! And there is no soul there!

    I have looked into those eyes. They are the eyes of DEATH.

    This is a tragedy – sorry all for ruining your weeekend – just thought y’all should know the reality of here – in order to protect youselves in the future

    A Toute A L’Heure amis///
    Pursue your god-concepts research @ your own risk…

  11. Alex says:

    August 1st, 2010 at 7:27 am

    I say we all start a write-in campaign to get Karen or Sisson, discussing Paleo and other health/wellness/exercise issues within the context of government regulation and financial health planning, on Judge Napolitano’s TV show as guests before it’s canceled. And, yes, sadly he will be canceled because anything that involves half-way intelligent discussion, such as Dave Ramsey (even though I didn’t always agree with Dave), will not last on either of the Fox channels.

    I expect any day now, some producer at News Corps will force the good Judge to get rid of Lew Rockwell et al as guests and start discussing such important legal topics as Lindsey Lohan, with three scantily-clad tramps in “Daisy Dukes” chiming in with the usual Bimbo-Banter.

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