Paleos vs. Vegans (Again). Snore.

Tuesday, September 17, 2013
Posted in category Paleo/Primal

This article is only worth a visit because this topic is so worth noting that it is so unworthy of our attention in the long run. This article, “Why Vegans and Paleos Should Stop hating Each Other,” is written by a vegan because only vegans care about this irrelevant tripe.

I do not diss the author, however. Indeed, the author makes many valid and accurate points. While the paleo “diet” has been erroneously trotted out as a fad in numerous anti-paleo circles, the author makes the crucial point that paleo is nothing more than a return to real (whole/traditional) foods as an antidote to the Standard Diet of western civilization that is based on chemicals laced with food, or, as I also refer to it, the industrial diet of convenience.

Where the author fails is in his lack of conveying why there is and has been a rift between the vegetarian/vegan camp and the paleo camp. Those promoting the paleo diet are relatively new in the scheme of things while modern vegetarianism has been around for a few generations. The modern paleo movement is only politically motivated in the sense that paleos, in general, tend to reject the politics of food that are built upon coercive foundations wherein the Industrial Food Machine has corrupted the science, manufacture, farming, and distribution of food.

Vegans, on the other hand, are oftentimes purely motivated by political views. Tom Naughton refers to these types as the vegan true believers. So much of the vegetarian/vegan movement is rooted in collective beliefs about how the world should work, and how others should live according to the prevailing platitudes. At their worst, vegetarians/vegans are absorbed in their collective, fanatical political leanings that originate from their human-hating views that come to be defined as “animal rights” hypotheses.

Paleos eat meat, and a lot of it, and they make no bones about it. It is a choice rooted in their personal judgment of science and health, whether or not that science is right or wrong. Paleo is a choice. Paleos do not obsess endlessly on what vegetarians/vegans eat because they eat the same core diet (except for grains) as vegetarians while taking on the addition of animal products. Consequently, paleos have no political agenda from which to reject and attack the vegetarian lifestyle. The vegetarian/vegans, on the other hand, have plenty to say about the meat-eating paleos because the more militant among them reject meat for political/philosophical reasons and thus they are aggressive about imposing their politically-motivated lifestyle upon others in the same way that all political factions look to coerce others toward their own views and behavior.

I’ve argued before that the non-political veggie-ists and paleos have everything in common: desire for traditional, whole foods; health as a high priority; and the rejection of modern disease-inducing industrial slop. So the vegan wars on paleos are, as Tom Naughton notes, an appeal for fanaticism that the rest of us need to ignore.

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5 Responses to Paleos vs. Vegans (Again). Snore.

  1. Mark says:

    September 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I follow the Mediterranean diet and I find that compatible with the Paleo diet too. Basically any ethnic diet that existed before the current fast food diet is healthier. I eat in little Italian, Greek, Spanish and North African restaurants all the time and the food is so much healthier (and tastes better too) than in the fast food chain restaurants. I haven’t seen any Paleo type restaurants in my area but I would eat at those too. I think there’s a business opportunity there for anyone who wants to start a restaurant.

  2. jc says:

    September 18th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    In recent years, the “paleo diet,” a diet based on the perceived eating habits of prehistoric people has become wildly popular. But, says paleontologist Christina Warinner, this diet is based on an incorrect view of how early humans lived. Using modern day research, Warinner traces the roots of the human diet to discover what we can really learn from the food of our ancestors.

    Science Debunks the Paleo Diet—Again

    The Paleo Diet Is Uncivilized (And Unhealthy and Untrue).

    If the Paleo Diet fad is so healthy and responsible for brain growth, then why didn’t the Neanderthals survive and thrive? They had 300,000 years in Europe following the diet to make themselves into “Einsteins!” Speaking of Albert Einstein, this is what he had to say on the subject of health and survival: “Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.” &

    You get better results with a vegan lifestyle, without the high risks of cancer and heart disease, which most cavemen didn’t live long enough to experience. It’s eliminating processed foods and eating veggies that make you healthy!

    “Tens of millions of people are enjoying long, healthy, vegan lifestyles today and these numbers dwarf the total number of paleolithic people ever born.”

  3. Karen De Coster says:

    September 18th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Wow jc – what anecdotal balderdash. Feel free to believe in fairy tales and recite the same old lies and misnomers about the “life span of the caveman.” You are free to make the choice.

  4. Barry R McCain says:

    September 19th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Karen, I thought your answer to poor JC was spot on perfect. When he mentioned paleontologist Christina Warinner I did laugh to myself and thought, yea right a load of manure. (we know academics never misrepresent or have agendas, she probably like Al Gore too) I send you greetings from the wooded hills of north Mississippi, do keep up the excellent work.

  5. jeannie queenie says:

    September 24th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I always have to lmao when I see the word Paleo, and its attendant, ‘we-are-the-first-generation-in-the-21st-century-to-eat-the-right-way’…I laugh because there is nothing new about this diet. I cooked that way back in the sixties like most stay at home moms…we had a decent diet back then and the wise among us never bought into the boxed ‘anything’ only using fresh, raw and healthy foods. So when I see the word paleo used as some exotic, elitist term, I really do have to howl. I see my local Thai waitresses with their petite frames. And how much better they look than their American counterparts, those gals with gobs of fat or with hugh muscles as if contesting with men on the muscle front. These Thai gals don’t frequent health clubs, don’t eat any paleo diet, they just use common sense in eating, meaning they don’t pack away a half pound of meat at any given time. The mediterranean diet, a Vietnamese or Thai diet and any island diet will keep you healthy. Meaning one does not need gobs of meat and meat protein to be healthy. My entire life I have eaten loads of fresh fruits and vegies and have been uber healthy for decades. Unlike carnivore parents and sibs, I never indulged hugh portions of meat. It has served me very well, as I watched those family members get sick over the years. My step father actually had to have his colon cut to extract build up meat as he was a beef eater. Sadly he would die not much longer after that. In studying carnivores you soon learn that they eat their meat raw and bloody, which we cannot do. We can eat raw vegies and fruit, but not raw meat. Meat takes much longer to digest in the intestinal tract as it can stick to the walls for up two to three weeks, nothing I care to have hanging around in my system. Human saliva is alkaline, where as flesh eating animal’s saliva is acidic which greatly aids in digestion. So anyone that tries to sell me that I should eat like carnivores eat, and I have been eating intelligently for decades and have no health problems and never did, tells me that just perhaps my instincts and the way I cooked or fixed foods has served me and my family very well. I am not any animal rights activist, hence, I don’t push a plant based diet out of concern for animals. In fact, I see animal rights folks as often out of their gourds. If it weren’t for PETA and their ‘we-must-save-Bambi’ mantra of madness, we wouldn’t have tens of thousands of humans crippled from Lyme’s disease resulting from an overabundance of too many tick carrying deer running amok in New England.

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