On Mark Sisson’s Book and Vegans

Wednesday, March 17, 2010
Posted in category Food & Nutrition

Mark Sisson’s book is shooting to the top on Amazon today (stats at 1:30 EST):

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #9 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What’s this?)

#1 in  Books > Health, Mind & Body > Diets & Weight Loss > Diets > Weight Maintenance
#1 in  Books > Health, Mind & Body > Exercise & Fitness
#2 in  Books > Health, Mind & Body > Diets & Weight Loss > Diets > Weight Loss

Yours truly had something to do with this. I just got a tweet from Nikoley and a blog comment from Sisson: he’s #4 on Amazon overall. The price of the book dropped – buy it!

Upon publishing that review, should I be surprised that I am receiving stupid emails from stupid vegans? These idiots are psychotic. If they don’t like what I write about what I eat, then they can make the decision to not read it, and eat how they want to eat. But you see, veganism is all about hating people, hating progress, hating freedom, and hating life. They are all a bunch of depressed, angry, unhealthy, gaunt, bored pissants. They have nothing better to do than send me retarded emails stating, “Eat vegan.” My Blackberry (okay, Crackberry) is literally jumping off of my desk today. I had to build a makeshift “soft base” so it doesn’t disturb the entire office. Indeed, I am getting overwhelmingly approving emails, but the idiocy from vegans, who can’t mind their own business, is mindboggling.

Now I know plenty of vegetarians, and they are typically far less hateful and intrusive than the vegans, or food commies. The vegetarians I know are following that lifestyle because: 1) They are looking to get away from garbage food, and so, being uneducated on food matters, they turn to vegetarianism as an alternative because they think it’s the better – and more anti-conventional – option. And it is. At least it’s a step away from the Standard American Diet and toward real food. 2) It is for religious reasons. I’ve never encountered much food militancy from the vegetarians -  it’s always been the strict vegans. What miserable morons they all are.

I am not an anti-grain Nazi by the way. Some people can eat grains (or they think they can), and I do like them though I don’t eat them very often. On a “cheat day,” like two weeks ago, I went to the Rice Bowl restaurant at lunchtime and had a heaping bowl of rice, veggies, and meat. It was pure piggishness, but it was damn good. When I’m down South I won’t resist real Southern cornbread.

There will be much, much more on these topics in the near future on my new website.

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30 Responses to On Mark Sisson’s Book and Vegans

  1. Mark Sisson says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    You certainly did have something to do with it, Karen. Thanks for the support. We’re sitting at #4 as of 11 am PST!

  2. Iluvatar says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Geez. Didn’t realize that the Vegans were so militant. Hope it does not ruin your day. Food and eating right is an important aspect of our lives. Getting useful information out is important, but it isn’t an order. Just a polite suggestion. You do with it what you wish – it’s your body after all.

    “Cheat days” are really important. About once every 2 months: 2 triple cheese burgers (and fries OMG!) from Wendy’z, skip the drink. Remember: everthing in moderation, including, sometimes, moderation itself!

  3. Tom Osborne says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Vegans are an example of what my father used to call “World Servers,” and that definitely was not a complementary term. For a World Server, it isn’t enough for them to do some particular thing, they feel they have to make YOU do it, too, so they’re the busy-bodies of the world, deciding that they know better how to live than everybody else. In recent times, World Servers have utilized three main areas through which they attempt to control the lives of other people: “health”, “environmentalism” (now with the constant battle-cry of “go green!”), and “save the children” (including it’s subset of “save the animals”, although the animal causes also seem to be folded into the environmental movement). As you said, Karen, they are definitely against human freedom, and, in actuality, they seem also to be very much against reality, which puts people like that into a very odd situation, that of actually being completely wrong, while thinking that they are the only ones who are right.

  4. Timothy says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Karen, needless to say, successful and happy people don’t feel the need to force their lifestyles on others or to pepper them with abuse.  I think such people are really trying to stifle their own doubts and defend their prejudices from exposure to the facts.

    The Primal Blueprint doesn’t have to grab people by the lapels.  It stands on its own merits before everyone with eyes to read and minds to think.

    The book is at #2 right now!  Tipping point time!

  5. Karen De Coster says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    World Servers? Gosh I like that.

  6. Daniel Hauer says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Karen, you might like to check out this blog: http://letthemeatmeat.com/. It’s an ex-vegan and Lierre Keith fan dissecting and mocking the vegan mentality. Very witty, very funny, and very true stuff.

  7. Karen De Coster says:

    March 17th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Daniel — I have already been blogging about Keith and her book. Nothing escapes me. :–)

    If you like her, read her book.

  8. Mark D says:

    March 18th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    I’ve had similar experiences with vegetarians vs vegans. Vegans that I have know tend to be of the socialist, neo-hippie, moral nihilist variety; where the vegetarians tend to be more open and actually have genuine concerns about getting away from crap food and living healthier.

    Karen, keep these great articles and blogs coming. They’re always very interesting and I look forward to them with great anticipation. Happy St. Paddy’s day, Cheers!

  9. Iluvatar says:

    March 18th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Tom – - “which puts people like that into a very odd situation, that of actually being completely wrong, while thinking that they are the only ones who are right”

    Hey? Isn’t that the definition of insanity?

    Just because you are paranoid does NOT mean they are not trying to get you…

  10. Zach says:

    March 18th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Keep uniting the clans, Karen.  The paleo diet adherents (and all of its adherents of various persuasions) over time whether they realize it or not come to way of thinking that in order for this lifestyle and diet to be truly possible there has to be freedom, and that freedom is threatened by ag subsidies that cause us to overgrow cheap carbs, overpopulate, over pollute, overeat, over medicate….   Cheap credit and then the crash.  Cheap carbs and then the sugar crash.  Cheap subsidized carbs are akin to fiat money because it is fiat money that have made them possible.  

    I’ve said this before on your blog, and please allow me to say it again…   it’s one thing to be libertarian and decry that fat taxes or soda taxes threaten our freedoms, it’s quite another thing to claim to be libertarian and not recognize that the obesity/metabolic syndrome epidemic ISN’T the price we pay by allowing the government NOT to raise taxes on unhealthy foods that are cheap to begin with because of government interference/subsidies.

    When I see an Austrian/libertarian author blab on about the evils of the Philadelphia city council considering a soda tax but NOT mention why and how that very same soda is killing people with HFCS made possible because of government subsidies… excuse me, they may know more about the business cycle than I, but they’re ill informed and actually PROMOTING the damn consumption of soda and all the other shit.

    Again, Karen, awesome article on LRC today, unite these clans, sister, because they have more in common than either side truly understands.

  11. Zach says:

    March 18th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    of course, I should point out in case it wasn’t clear, I wouldn’t support the subsidy or the fat tax… both have to be bookends to any analysis of the issue

  12. Karen De Coster says:

    March 18th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Zach – great point about the one-sided’ness of unedukated libertarians. That’s why I strike at the root.

  13. Justin R says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    I have to totally disagree with you on this one Karen. First here are my credentials:

    Wrote in Ron Paul in 2004 & 2008 (likely 2012). I am an herbivore.

    Those that sing the praises of meat need to realize that factory farmed meat (most of the meat consumed in America!) is an environmental disaster. Waste lagoons and spraying feces into the air are simply ruinous to the environment no matter how liberty-loving you are (including me, a Ron Paul die-hard).

    A vegetarian diet would probably be appropriate for most Americans since most Americans live SEDENTARY LIFESTYLES!!

    Eating meat is damaging to the environment and the animals are treated like barbarically, not even able to move or rest peacefully.

    It is easy to dismiss vegetarians since their diet is not compatible with someone as athletic as you, however, it is foolish to dismiss their arguments entirely since they have extremely valid and intelligent points to make about destroying the environment and unnecessary cruelty to animals.

    What do you think?

  14. Karen De Coster says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Justin – I don’t debate with vegetarians – sorry, a total waste of my time. And I don’t eschew vegetarianism because “it isn’t compatible with someone as athletic as me.” WTF does that mean?? I’ve spent years looking at the science and all the arguments. Hey, and there’s evolution and studying our ancestors. If you read my book review and Mark Sisson’s book, then you’ll be armed to debate.

    As to the crazed, insane environmental argument, you are ignorant. To counter that, read “Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith, a 20-year ex-vegetarian who destroys that argument, and she shows how vegetarianism IS THE environmental disaster. Destroying half the earth to plant corn and wheat? Hello? Factory-farmed meat is an environmental disaster and factory-farmed agriculture isn’t? Wow. Look up Keith’s book and then write up something that destroys her argument. I challenge you to do that. No one has been able to do that yet. Not one person. In fact, recently, when she spoke at an event, do you know what the maggot vegans did? Threw pies in her face. Look it up on Google. That’s how armed they are with intellectual arguments.

    “A vegetarian diet would probably be appropriate for most Americans since most Americans live SEDENTARY LIFESTYLES!!” Ummmm — No it’s not. See above about educating yourself. Carbs make you fat. Fat doesn’t make you fat. That is not even debated anymore in most circles. Go back and try again.

  15. Alex says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 7:03 am

    Zach, I’m sorry, but I call B.S. on your screed. It sounds like someone has adopted quite a Ayn Rand mentality regarding diet. Let me get this straight, because you don’t think people are using freedom of choice “the right way,” that means libertarians should all of a sudden support taxes on food in order to enforce the “correct behavior”? How stupid, cynical, and well, Obama-esque. How is your mentality any different than statist/vegan/Democrat-Republican people who want to enforce their utopian notion, through the police power of the state, of “the right diet and way to eat” on others? I tried the Paleo lifestyle based upon Karen’s (humorous and scathing) appeal to reason regarding “fried ass on a stick” eating. I didn’t need some goddamned buttinski know-it-all—left, right, or “libertarian”—to make the choice for me or reach into my goddamned bank account and pockets to force me to “buy the right food.” If people want to eat “bad food,” yep, it may be stupid, detrimental, blah blah blah, but IT’S THEIR CHOICE. Just as there are enough people who will read the writings of someone like Karen and make optimal choices for themselves and their own well-being. Freedom doesn’t mean that people will always make “rational choices” (“rational” as defined in ethics, NOT economics). Your argument is as poor as that made by people who are against gun ownership for ALL because a FEW Darwinesque tree swingers end up on the news from the improper handling, or criminal and sociopathic use of weapons. You don’t condemn a dirty glass through statism, you simply and freely put a clean glass beside it and most people will see the difference. You rant about “libertarians” who do not “not recognize that the obesity/metabolic syndrome epidemic ISN’T the price we pay by allowing the government NOT to raise taxes on unhealthy foods that are cheap to begin with because of government interference/subsidies.” How about just not subsidizing ANY farming to begin with, then there wouldn’t be an “artificially low carbs” and I wouldn’t have people like you wanting to tax my once-in-a-blue-moon Ginger Beer because that traditional Jamaican drink might have—GASP!!!!!—sweeteners in it? Hope you enjoy your “perfect health” under Obamacare.

  16. Iluvatar says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    I am little bit confused on the arguments that are being given. I’d like to strike a balance – but also do so with the knowing humility that, depite being well-edukated, I am also severely mal-informed in certain areas (it’s not about about being smart; it’s about knowledge).

    It seems to me that Big Ag is nauseatingly ruinous to the environment regardless of whether it is meat (cows, pigs, and those poor constrained calves for veal (refuse to eat by virtue of treatment)) or corn (the flooding in Iowa 2 years ago was partly due to they way land is maintained to grow corn).

    But what concerns me most is (an apparently??) non-essential bickering over being vegetarian, meat-eater only, or a mix of both. Sure, based on what Karen, et. al. have said, the vegans sure seem to badly skewed.

    But can’t we measure a diet in terms of its (soluble) vitamin/mineral/nutrient/fat content/carbo content uptake? And don’t forget the vital enzyme/bacterial content for a functional digestive tract.

    You might find that the vegetarians are doing just fine thank-you. Maybe the same for the meat-eaters? Fine, whatever. And while Mark Sisson really hates grains, OK fine; his advice on those glutens scares me as well. That was new information.

    But it seems we should have a standard means of evaluation that factors in the amount of exercise (and type: aerobic vs. anaerobic) in a more holistic way so that we can figure out how best to tweak the diet to achieve goals?

    And regarding the sedentary comment, this is what I have noticed in my own body. I seem to do much better lately by eating VERY little “carbs” (maybe 1 slice of 15 grain whole wheat bread a week). I am getting my sugars from raw vegetables (also enzymes) and a banana. And that seems to be good enough for my sedentary lifestyle (I’m sorry, physical therapy & high-rep low weight lifting just does not burn enough calories). But I can easily see my toes?

    Now contrast that to when I was playing Ultimate @ the Regional level. If I didn’t place stuff like (omg) pizza and 2 slices of wheat bread a day on my menu; I wasn’t going to make :35 on the 5-miler that night. I don’t care how much coffee I had. If I didn’t carbo (and I was still eating raw vegetables and beef), I would feel drained. And I was 6′ 152lbs at the time (10K race weight). So maybe there is an argument for diet tweaking/tailoring depending on your burn level?

    Remember: before you slaughter me, the previous sentence was an interrogatory, OK>< I am still trying to learn. It seems Mark Sisson had an absolutely miserable experience with that; but I can't make a similar claim. (I hope all the typos have been cleaned up…)

  17. Zach says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    My point was simply that if you are a libertarian and you are against “the fat tax”, yes, fine.  But if you don’t consider in your argument that the carbs were made cheap to begin with because of government subsidies than your argument is faulty.  ahem, that’s what I meant when I wrote:
    “of course, I should point out in case it wasn’t clear, I wouldn’t support the subsidy or the fat tax… both have to be bookends to any analysis of the issue”

    Just about everything you write, I actually agree with.  And based on what you write, I assume you, as I am, are against both fat taxes and government subsidies equally… and yes people should have the right to choose… and take responsibility for their actions.  I admire your passion for this subject, it was shocking a bit because you completely missed my point, and so I believe toward me you’re preaching to the choir.  I’ll blame on my shitty writing, OK, Alex, b/c I think you and I are on the same side of the barricades here.


    Glad to hear that the paleo lifestyle is working for you, it worked for me, too.  We’ll be better off if indeed Obamacare comes to pass.

    sheesh, tough crowd…  but that’s why I like it here…

  18. Zach says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    And Alex, just in case my shitty writing sets you off again when I wrote:
    “We’ll be better off if indeed Obamacare comes to pass.”

    I meant, because you and I are more healthy because of a paleo lifestyle if the Obamacare passes and the “S” hits the fan, you and I and others like us following this lifestyle will be better off than the poor souls relying on Obamacare to cure their metabolic diseases while they wait in line for rationed care….

  19. Justin R says:

    March 19th, 2010 at 11:47 pm


    I meant your lifestyle is one where meat-eating is necessary since you exercise a LOT and MOST Americans simply do not exercise enough to warrant such a calorie-dense lifestyle and would benefit from a transition from less meat to more vegetables and less processed carbs. I don’t think I’m over-reaching when I say most Americans would be better served eating less meat and more vegetables, quinoa, nuts and fruit. That’s my only point.

    I’m basically stating that the problem isn’t lack of meat being eaten, it’s lack of exercise. People use carb-phobia to avoid eating vegetables because vegetables require effort to clean and cook.

    I see people at work shoving giant meaty portions of lunch in their face everyday while never exercising. Consuming a high-fat, high-calorie diet should go hand in hand with exercising. Vegetables also provide fiber, vitamins, and minerals.

    You didn’t address my point at all about animal cruelty. I’m surprised an animal lover and Christian doesn’t seem to have a problem with factory farming because of the way animals are mistreated.

  20. cousin lucky says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Well I have went from 226 lbs to 202 lbs by drinking a large carrot with one ounce of wheatgrass juice every other day. On the off days I have a cup of apple cider blended with a peeled lemon ( which I strain before drinking ) before making something to eat.

    This regimen causes me to consume less food at mealtimes. Today I had Tilapia fish, brown rice, corn, broccoli, celery, onions, jalapeno peppers, and string beans which tasted very good.

    Grown people should be able to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as they are not victimizing others. My Grandmother used to warn us about ” The Busybodies ” who just never seemed to practice what they preached: or who despised anybody and everybody that followed a different drummer!!
    You Betcha!!!!

  21. Karen De Coster says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Justin, I repeat – the “calorie-dense” argument is ignorant of facts. That was my point. It’s a crock. People – yes, sedentary people – lose weight on Atkins/paleo/primal by, yes, eating meat and fat. FAT DOES NOT = WEIGHT GAIN. REPEAT: FAT DOES NOT = WEIGHT GAIN. And you believe the politicized government food pyramid, eh? Good, keep pushing its lies. Another fact: THE CALORIE IN, CALORIE OUT BULLSHIT is also a crock. Why do you repeat the lies and conventional wisdom when my book review was the exact opposite? Did you read it? Have you read Sisson? Do I need larger caps to emphasize this? This is not news to anyone, so I won’t waste any more time on it. It can be googled til doomsday. Read Gary Taubes (Good Calories, Bad Calories [hint: the title means something] ), and let me know what you’ve learned.

  22. Iluvatar says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I can tell you this from my own experiences. About 6 years ago I started to minimize “carbs” (read: bread, cereals, pasta stuff like that) and I did firm up even though I was still “~sedentary”. My body seems to get along just fine eating beef (high fat version), raw vegetables (lots of it), fruit (when I can shove that sweet stuff done), and cheese (also high in fat), and nuts for snacks. I seem to get full on stuff that doesn’t have a whole lot of calorie content.

    I am not informed enough to know if that is some sort of diet or not, but it sure doesn’t seem like ingesting good fats leads to becoming fat. Experientially, it seems to come from the breads.

    Also, Dr. Mercola had an excellent paper on the necessity of (beef-based) sturated fats (nerve & brain health). This was also backed by the paleotologists on the BBC show “Walking with Prehistoric Creatures”. When early man began to eat meat, it led to larger brain size. Turns out, to have a larger brain, meat consumption was necessary. Hmmmmmm….

  23. freeman says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    @Justin –

    I have one thing to add in addition to Karen’s comments.

    Why do you apparently assume that anyone who isn’t vegetarian or vegan necessarily supports factory farming? I’ve only encountered one person promoting paleo, primal, and/or other similar lifestyles who has ever claimed to have no problem with factory farming. Unless you can provide specific evidence that Karen or anyone else you’re addressing supports factory farming, then why do you rudely appeal to such assumptions?

    I personally consider factory farming despicable on many levels, which is why I seek locally produced meat from pastured animals.

  24. Alex says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    “I admire your passion for this subject, it was shocking a bit because you completely missed my point, and so I believe toward me you’re preaching to the choir. I’ll blame on my shitty writing, OK, Alex, b/c I think you and I are on the same side of the barricades here.”

    Well, okay, Zach, you DID use a double negative that threw me off (and set me off – lol). However, I am humble enough to say I see your point more clearly, and that I’m in agreement and apologize for my stridency. So, even though you can’t see it on the Web, I’m throwing up “peace signs” at you (that’s TWO fingers, NOT one – lol).

    As for Cousin Lucky, I think you’re just making Karen’s initial point, that we SHOULDN’T be so rigid that we get that “whiff of the gas chamber” (as someone said of Ayn Rand) in judging the behaviors and actions of others. No matter how many of us agree on the GENERAL program of a Paleo lifestyle, genetics and biodiversity would dictate that there be variations, anyway. Karen says she eats grains every blue moon. I can’t eat them at all, as they make me massively gain weight and break out. Ditto for dairy, some can eat it (traditional Massai in Africa lived on nothing but dairy, cattle blood and beef without major health problems for hundreds of years), I can’t.

    That’s the real problem with statism in this health care mess. It’s a childish utopian pipedream that assumes that all people should conform to some statistical or regulatory conception of what is “right” or “normal.” I am reminded of a drug that was discovered to help blacks with cardiological problems in ways that drugs prescribed to caucasians and asians didn’t. Will such breakthroughs happen under government-rationed health care, where one price-controlled pill must fit all? Fat Chance (no pun intended).

    I expect more people to die under this new “health care,” as the statists, who normally try to shove their conception of “diversity” down people’s throats, will not be able to deal with the natural diversity of biology and genetics and the fact that there are some pheno- and genotypical differences among peoples and “races,” as well as WITHIN groups themselves, that won’t conform to the dictates of Big Government-Induced Pharmaceutical.

  25. Alex says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    As for Justin’s comments:

    “You didn’t address my point at all about animal cruelty. I’m surprised an animal lover and Christian doesn’t seem to have a problem with factory farming because of the way animals are mistreated.”

    Funny how all these animal rights types want to lecture HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS on meat-eating. Is it also wrong for sharks, lions, cheetahs, tigers, bears, alligators, scorpions and spiders to eat other animals? You can’t get much more cruel than a lion slashing at a gazelle, crushing and tearing its jugular in Dracula-like fashion, and ripping the thing apart while its still in pain and sentient. Plus, I remember enough from life science classes that most mammalian predators only go after healthy animals as a last resort; it takes too much energy for a lion or cheetah to go after a healthy buck, despite what “Mutual of Omaha” put on TV. Most carnivores go for the sickest, weakest, oldest, or youngest of prey so as not to expend too much effort. Talk about preying on the helpless!! Does PETA know about this?!?!?

    Why the double standard for one species as opposed to others? Tell you what, when PETA and its ilk start lecturing or punishing lions, tigers and bears (OH MY!), I’ll stop eating meat. Until then, I’ll just look at my cooked animal flesh and quote Eric Cartman,


  26. Karen De Coster says:

    March 20th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Freeman – I’ve expressed my disagreement with factory farming often …. incl. when I endorsed Lierre Keith’s book and promoted all of the food documentaries. I also talk with my wallet with the foods I buy (organic, free-range, grass-fed, etc.).

  27. Tom Osborne says:

    March 21st, 2010 at 3:00 am

    Nobody who has read Karen for a while would ever think that she supports factory farming. And certainly Lierre Keith is extremely against factory farming and from my having read her book, I would say that she was perhaps even more effective in preventing people FROM eating meat from factory farms than she was in promoting people TO eat meat in general. So it is peculiar to have so many vegans and vegetarians arguing against Lierre Keith and Karen de Coster by presenting the factory farming argument as if that were a point against them. It is not. “Eating meat” does not equal “eating factory farmed meat” for them.

    I believe that books like Lierre Keith’s, and writing by Karen and the other sources she has referred her readers to, are making a broad difference in people’s shopping habits. For example, only a few months ago I was buying meat at Whole Foods and saw that everything was labeled “organic”, which told me nothing. I told the butcher that I wanted free range, grass fed ONLY, but he explained that all but two tiny cuts of meat in the store were “mostly grass fed, but corn-finished.” That sounded like feed-lot beef to me, so I stopped buying beef at Whole Foods. Now all the Whole Foods stores in the Los Angeles area are heavily advertising that they sell “Eel River Grass Fed Beef”, which, despite what to me is an unappetizing name (somehow mixing the image of “eel” with “beef” just doesn’t work for me–I’d much rather it be called “Clover Field Grass Fed Beef” or something like that), it seems to be the exact kind of beef we ought to be looking for and for Whole Foods to have moved away from “corn-finished” shows that the meat buyer has gotten way more educated. So, vegans, don’t start arguing “factory farm” against us, unless you want to continue to look and sound very ignorant.

    Also, people get very confused about “carbs” and when people say that they advocate a high protein, high fat, low carb diet, others start yammering that they need to eat more vegetables, but it isn’t vegetables that high protein, high fat, low carb eaters are avoiding, but GRAINS and STARCHES.

    Our normal American diet, and all the food that is quickly and easily available, is wheat and sugar (or its cheaper cousin, high fructose corn syrup), and THAT is what makes people fat. It’s insanely stupid to blame obesity on meat. Sure, while the typical fast food meal is supposed to be based on a “hamburger”, the actual “hamburger” is just a flat, dead, tasteless disc weighing less than three ounces. WHAT the person is actually consuming is two large white bread buns spread with some kind of flavored soy-based mayonnaise or salad dressing, about four cups of French fries, and a liter of carbonated sugar water. To call this a “hamburger” meal is a joke.

    I marvel at how on virtually every corner in urban or suburban America, and attached to every gas station, is some kind of “food mart”, yet if you walk in there and look around with an educated mind, you will see virtually NO FOOD in there at all. Instead, it will be an ingenious museum of all the things that can be created from white flour and high fructose corn syrup. It may as well be a store filled with sculptured library paste.

    And, finally, I was suffering from some unknown digestive problem and went in to have an upper GI. The doctor found some damage just inside the small intestine and took a biopsy of it, and thought it might indicate celiac sprue, a genetic disposition against digesting gluten. However, a blood test for celiac sprue was negative, so I do not have a GENETIC predisposition against eating gluten…but gluten is nevertheless causing damage to my small intestine. (What the damage does is make the intestine more permeable, which means that toxins that are supposed to be kept out of the bloodstream can manage to get in. So this proves to me that wheat products as a whole are generally damaging, not damaging only for a certain gene pool and not others. So that’s the main point, grains are NOT a food for humans. But meat, obviously, is. Vegetables, sure, they’re good for you, too.

  28. Karen De Coster says:

    March 21st, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Tom – brilliant. You said stuff I didn’t have the time to say.

    The Food Marts – yes! Mindblowing. Every gas station has one now. Here, there are tons of gas stations attached to McDonald’s and Subway and Taco Bell. And the burgers are, of course, not the problem, just as you describe. I make burgers all the time, w/o a bun. I throw all kinds of veggies on top in place of a bun. I just don’t get the “bun” concept.

  29. krysi says:

    April 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Ever stop to think what meat eating does to animals?  Murder, yes pure and simple. There is no “humane” way to murder something, no matter how you put it.  That being said, I do not eat my pets, and I would not eat soomething else that was once a living breathing animal either.  I do not belittle my meat eating friends, or any others for that matter.  If asked, I will give my opinion.  But you are just way too harsh on vegans and need to lighten up a bit.  Have some carbs and make sure you are hydrated!  Oh, and you might want to read the China Study, just  for the health of it!

  30. Karen De Coster says:

    April 27th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    krysi – the China Study has been debunked a million motherfucking times. See the Denise Miger debunking.

    p.s. – cows and hogs and chickens and lambs are not PETS. My German Shepherd is a pet…

    P.P.s. – you ned carbs to be …. hydrated? LoL! What the fuck?

    Fuck the fucking vegan totalitarians, and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

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