(More on) Why Libertarians Should Stop the Politician Love-a-Thons

Wednesday, January 20, 2010
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Peter Schiff on foreign policy – two minutes into the video.

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13 Responses to (More on) Why Libertarians Should Stop the Politician Love-a-Thons

  1. Old Rebel says:

    January 20th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    DC’s divine right to invade and have its way anywhere it wants is an article of faith among the ruling elite.

  2. Sal says:

    January 20th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    @:20 – “We always have to think about the complete long term consequences of our actions. Politicians just focus on what’s immediate, they don’t connect all the dots and see the real cost of what they’re doing.”

    @2:35 – “If they (Iran) don’t let us in there, then just blow the place up.”

    @2:40 _ “We can defend our interests, and defend Americans you know, without pissing everybody off.”

    No comments necessary with words such as these.

  3. liberranter says:

    January 20th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    See my comments on the Ron Paul “sellout” video. Ditto for Peter Schiff!

  4. clay barham says:

    January 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    It all starts with a libertarian individual freedom, single pebble droppers. “Don’t make waves,” and “Don’t rock the boat,” yet, no one has ever seen a boat going anywhere that was not making waves and rocking from side to side, making the placid water choppy. For new start-ups and jobs we need to continue welcoming the wave-making pebble-droppers or secure the peace of the pond. Governing elite tell us the interests of the pond, the community, are more important than are the interests of the individual, the pebble-dropping wave makers. Pebble-droppers made America what it is today, giving form and shape to our American Evolution. Pebble droppers made us prosperous and only they can keep us prosperous. Without pebble droppers, America will have no prosperity, no growth, no entrepreneurs, no small business and no new jobs. Government managers cannot control pebble droppers, only prevent their disturbing behavior. See Save Pebble Droppers & Prosperity on Amazon.com and claysamerica.com

  5. Porter says:

    January 20th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I wonder if you have written any essays or have any thoughts about making the perfect, the enemy of the good. I would vote for Ron Paul or Peter Schiff even if I do not agree with everything they have to say because I think it is a step towards a better world. They have educated me or have been a step in my journey as to the possibilities that the world can be different. I think the only reason that Ron Paul gets any press at all is because he is a Congressman. So if he was Simon pure and not supporting the other Republicans in Texas, then he wouldn’t be in Congress and you and others seeking to understand this economic crisis would not have heard of him and would not have learned from him. I have learned much about Austrian economics and more especially about Liberty because of him. Do you think that it is better not to vote at all because being that you are anti-state, it doesn’t matter which person is in, and the moral thing to do is to just stand aside and hope or wait for the hope thing to fall down, much like say the Jews in Nazi Germany?

  6. Michael says:

    January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Schiff is incredibly wrong here. For somebody who has a thorough comprehension of the economic status quo, he’s woefully inept on foreign policy.

  7. Bob says:

    January 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am

    The point is that D.C. (i.e., politics) is a brood of vipers and to be effective among this brood, one must herself or himself be a viper, Porter. Working within the tax-funded political system, at least from the libertarian point of view, doesn’t work because tax-funded politics are, were, and will always be corrupt. I can’t definitively say how Rothbard would look upon Ron Paul and upon Peter Schiff, but I daresay Rothbard would see these men as part of the criminal gang writ at large. An exception for libertarian-oriented “public service” is academics; tax-funded schools and tax-funded politics, while institutions of the State, are not the same thing (cf. Aristotle). For over 50 years, we taxpayers have funded the salaries of leftist-Trotskyite-Marxist professors. I smile when people like Hoppe are professors, because then I know, at least in his case, that tax money is being well-spent. (Professor Hoppe, of course, is promoting economic truth and political truth, and for that, on a personal level, I am very grateful.)

  8. MarcAnthony says:

    January 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Everyone has a point of view. On Ron Paul, mine is positive. Why? When the Republic was founded, with its attendant documents; Bill of Rights, Constitution, Dec of Independence, even the Federalist Papers, was based on individual Liberty. However, there was a recognition that there needed to be a central body to protect our Republic from those outside; to make sure the States, which in a Republic were supposed to be the focus of the people…people involved with establishing rules/guidelines within their smaller geography to establish rules for trade and interchange as their populous desired. A central body was needed to made sure all the states played fairly with each other, and finally to provide a court of last resort for disputes between parties, be it individuals, organizations, states, etc. That’s about it. We the people would have to pay for this central body politic as we the people would pay for the state politic to do the same to protect our freedom, and provide safety in our dealings with others in our smaller more homogeneous geography.
    Paul, can’t win respect or high office, running under a libertarian banner. If you watch any TV show, Libertarians are ALWAYS promoted as “WACO”, RUBY RIDGE”, ANARCHISTS, and above all a THREAT to the US. This isn’t the talking heads of MSNBC, but ingrained in the popular shows like the CSI’s and it’s ilk (maybe not American Idol-but if you’re a fan of that show, you need professional help). So, take a libertarian who believes in Austrian economics and clothe him/her under the disguise of a “Republican”; tough sell for a “Democrat.” I don’t think the man is morally corrupt, he has tried and failed on many fronts to get back to the basic constitutional mandates. Through failure he has learned how to play the game and win. I view him as a subversive Austrian, and subversive Libertarian. Many of the bastions of our overly large Federal System were created by Executive Order and can be reversed the same way. There is no one on the national political scene who can make a greater impact, get the votes and the office to stop the madness than he. If elected in 2012, he could derail 1/2 the organizations that have sprung up since Wilson. I wished in 08/09 for a repeat of the Great Depression of 21-23 when Harding (who?) let the banks fail, businesses go bankrupt, didn’t interfere except to reduce taxes and shrink the size of government. We had less unemployment and a better system after it. Then Woodrow and the Progressives followed, and started us on the road to today. Find me another candidate with the capability to take on the Beltway than Ron Paul and I’ll vote for them.

  9. Sal says:

    January 21st, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    An ‘oddity’ regarding the Federalist Papers: How they are promoted, yet one rarely finds references to the Anti-Federalist Papers. The Anti-Federalist Papers are not nearly as accessible for the reader to peruse.


  10. John and Dagny Galt says:

    January 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Lysander Spooner may be long gone, but we still have mighty Larken Rose!

    Here Larken explains why ink and paper don’t create a contract:



    Who will the looters loot when looters are all that are left to loot?

    Starving The Monkeys Continually And Forever,
    John and Dagny Galt
    Atlas Shrugged, Owners Manual For The Universe!(tm)


  11. Tomás says:

    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Karen is right, voting only legitimizes the regime. Schiff would make a fine family friend, broker, and even neighbor, but politician? heck no. I feel bad donating the $5 I did, but at least he’ll be advertising good economic sense when he gets the little attention he does get, as he is a long shot at this point since Dodd dropped out.

    Rand Paul is another I am fairly disappointed with. A Youtube of him awhile ago was far too coal company friendly for my liking, and I’m not even an environmentalist! At one point he pointed to a stream, in a reclaimed area from previous mountaintop removal mining, and said “it’s clear! how can they [environmentalists] come off saying this is polluted?”, which is incredibly stupid for anyone that’s had even a high school chem class.

    I like these guys overall and would root for them, though I think their time could be better spent elsewhere, but I will not donate another dime or vote for them if they were running in my state.

    If liberty-lovers want to run for ANYTHING, it should be only for state-wide office, getting yourself involved with the Feds is a fool’s errand, especially now when they’re about to collapse on themselves.

  12. M. Terry says:

    January 24th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    This video is a good illustration of the difference between being a “conservative” and a libertarian.

    Conservatives seem to love war, and support torture – as long as the person being tortured is “one of them.”

    I stopped taking the Libertarian party seriously way back when Howard Stern ran as a “Libertarian.”

    When drug warrior Bob Barr was drafted as the 2008 Libertarian nominee, that should have iced the cake for any real libertarian.

    If voting mattered, it would be illegal.

  13. John and Dagny Galt says:

    January 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    We are all Individual Sovereign Human Beings.

    Notable exception:

    Everyone should leave everyone else alone.

    Here again, we can learn from Abigail and Brittany

    There are five boxes of freedom.

    The first box is the soap box…
    What part of no, don’t the looters understand.

    The second box is the ballot box…
    Voting for looters doesn’t make the looting ok.

    The third box is the jury box…
    Can we say corpus delicti and fully informed jurors please.

    The fourth box is the cartridge box…
    What the price and cost of looting others should always be.

    The fifth box is the pine box…
    There are some things worse than death, Live Free Til You Die!

    As my President Charlton Heston said, FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS





    Hey, what are you waiting for, start Starving The Monkeys Today!

    Starving The Monkeys Continually And Forevermore,
    John and Dagny Galt
    Atlas Shrugged, Owners Manual For The Universe!(tm)


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