More on the Poop Show

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Posted in category Tyranny of the Masses

My post #1 on this topic. I said:

The DNA poop test would be for the purpose of pinpointing “the source of wayward excrement” on the condominium property. Don’t just blame the state – look to the pedestrian tyrants around you who desire to turn your world into an Orwellian nightmare to serve their need for bureaucratic power and control. People have nothing better to do.

One reader referred to this, with comments on my blog, as “the power of emotions twisting principles.” That one short paragraph – that’s right. There’s no “power of emotion” in my paragraph above, and there’s no “twisted principles.” That’s why I am more than happy to repost it here. Again. The readers’ comments, however, were emotionally charged, long, and …… he distorted my clear words. I love disagreement, a hardcore mentality, and any related principled passion, but turning my ABCs into ZYXs is not acceptable. But that’s what readers do when they zero in on something with which they disagree. They tell you that you said things you, well, never said. I make that point in my post #2.

My post #2, meant as a clarification and expansion for those with reading comprehension skills.

Here’s Butler Shaffer’s follow-up post further clarifying my point, and in agreement.

Karen De Coster makes an excellent point re the tendency of even some libertarians to assume that, if you are critical of a given practice, you must want the state to intervene to control it.  Is it possible to imagine that my dislike of rock music would lead me to support a government ban on it? Perhaps it is because such behavior is so commonplace throughout the rest of our politicized world (e.g., if you see obesity as a problem, you must have a government program in mind to deal with it.  Hmmmmm, maybe “POOP” could be used to designate obesity as a political problem: “Preventing Obesity in Other People.” )

Karen makes another very good point about the “voluntary” nature of homeowners’ association agreements: who will enforce them?  If the association goes to court to enforce the fine,  . . . well, most libertarians can figure out that political connection!  That so many “libertarians” are quick to embrace a statist remedy for a wrong, reflects just how deeply runs the willingness to use force as opposed to persuasion in supporting one’s expectations.

In conversation with Butler today, he made the point that “deep down inside, so many “libertarians” retain the need to control others, if not by government regulations, then by private ones that are enforced by the government courts.  …… Two or three of these e-mailers (emails to him) have concluded “if the homeowner doesn’t like the rules, he can always vote with his feet and leave.”  My gawd!!  Where have I heard that before?”

We know where he’s heard that before. As I told him, Butler, if you don’t like this country’s wars, taxes, tyranny, police state, and diversity quotas, then by golly, leave the f_____ing country, man! Vote with your feet!

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18 Responses to More on the Poop Show

  1. Iluvatar says:

    May 18th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    @ Karen:

    Jesus Christ! Would you please stop beating this guy to death! He won’t be able to procreate after you’re done w/ him! Please let it go!

    You are missing the larger issue, whilst destroying your humble and willing (pisant – your take) followers.

    Being a libertarian is something I can not know – god did not provide me the gift – sort of like believing in a monarchial God-concept.

    I only know philosophy and comparitive religion – that’s as close as I get as an Apolitical human being.

    I wouldn’t know a Libertarian if I ran into him/her in the street (after all – we don’t wear labels on our clothes for this AND there are NO annual dues! – cool!).

    However, and I am stealing Butler’s words directly here: “Karen De Coster makes an excellent point re the tendency of even some libertarians to assume that, if you are critical of a given practice, you must want the state to intervene to control it. ”

    Hey man, that ain’t Shaffer’s words here – these are Hayek’s words!!! Shaffer did a steal!

    Hayek made a statement that I actually dropped on this web site (in Feb `10??) that basically said that socialism leads to the common citizen recognizing a problem in society and their immediate (knee-jerk) response is: “what is Big Gummint gonna do `bout this? (with a toothless grin no less)”.

    Confused? No wonder! You have been saturation bombed for the last 80 years (FDR) w/ “The Great Society” notion leading to entitlement programs that are making us “broke” (yeh, I know we can’t go broke if we control our own currency, but the result is that we print out of control to lead to hyperinflation – ooooooooooh COOL!).


    Oh BTW: “Vote your feet” came from Thomas Jefferson in his reference about states in the Union that chose to act badly – something I actually believe in.

    But HOAs are places wherein you quickly lose your rights to contract – it just keeps morphing like a G-D’d fungus. If it ain’t morphing then it is mutating.

    Final point: (amd here is where I really want to stick my finger down my throat to induce a really, really BIG hurl: “Butler today, he made the point that “deep down inside, so many “libertarians” retain the need to control others, if not by government regulations, then by private ones that are enforced by the government courts.”

    Oh, is that what a Libertarian really is?

    Well then, he has no convergence w/ a transcendentalist (Thoreau) nor an existentialist (Camus/Sartre).

    Folks, it really ain’t so difficult to be grounded in action & spirit – it comes right from your GUT!

    Ask yourself if Jesus would have been supportive of your action and then you have the answer! It really can be a whole lot simpler than the way we are playing it – just be simple.

    Be a simple man.

    - Bye (boss man can’t fire me for this one? I was being honest after all? Nothing prurient either!)

    PS: I am not willing to vote my feet yet (from the USA) for the simple reason that I retain hope that we, as a population, finally see the light and CHANGE our beloved country. Not liking a state is 1 thing; being unable to like the whole country is another.

    The loss of hope is the material & spiritual end of one’s life – don’t go there…

  2. Iluvatar says:

    May 18th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    And oh BTW

    From Shaffler’s post: (and I am in total agreement BTW w/ his post). Yeh, trust me on this one – those communististas WILL take you to court. Trust me on this one dude. Thay will light you UP!

    I know he was being sarcastic about so-called libertarians – I got that.

    But what he is missing is for the “children to rise UP – Life goes on & on!” in the exact sense that the band “Crack the Sky” said it. It is off their 2nd-3rd album “Safety in Numbers”.

    They recently made an excellent comeback @ RoS-Fest and criticized the fact that they were branded as “Prog”. I am searching for the link now – good night all! – this is just there site – couldn’t find the youTube video that I wanted – rats!! I screwed up… Darn it!!

  3. Jeannie Queenie says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Can’t disagree with this, ” That so many “libertarians” are quick to embrace a statist remedy for a wrong, reflects just how deeply runs the willingness to use force as opposed to persuasion in supporting one’s expectations.” The idea of costly DNA testing to be paid by other unit owners is totally off the wall. Right now at our Heritage Pines condos, we recently learned that the last building beyond the pond had folks buy, move in and not get title…can you freaking believe it? Now we are embroiled in this fiasco attempting to get title to this bldg. Both the banks and the lawyers screwed up by not checking things out, but all unit owners are now expected to PAY for their SCREWUPS and the lawyers needed to correct it.
    I never volunteered to pay for anyone’s screwups and I never signed any documents saying it is okay to let your dog do its thing on my property, nor did I say, I would help pay for DNA testing if you don’t follow the laws. The problem with persuasion is impossible when you are dealing with ignorant people with massive egos who feel they can do no wrong, nor need they respect others rights. For after all they are the Entitled Ones.

    One cannot help but feel with such ignorant people one could perhaps, ‘persuade the dog’ with, let us say, some ‘flavored’ meat that makes him crap all over his master’s house. It might possibly bring home the message, that not all of us want to eat other peoples crap.,,,and clean up your own. And for god’s sake, don’t expect me to pay for it via dna testing or hiring others to clean up your own crap…these people are whackjobs!

  4. Karen De Coster says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 7:05 am

    “You are missing the larger issue, whilst destroying your humble and willing (pisant – your take) followers.” I am not missing any point – and certainly not in my one-paragraph blog post. One paragraph. I am also not destroying anyone. When you use your own words and ascribe them to me, as mine, I will reprint what I said and show you it is not true. Fair? _Showing_ what I said is damn fair. Running off on 5 emotional paragraphs, and then calling my _one paragraph_ criticism “emotional” and “breaking with principles” is fucked up, man. If you don’t like my criticism, criticize my criticism all to heck – but don’t make shit up when my words are there for the reading.

  5. Iluvatar says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I think we are miscommunicating.

    I shouldn’t have said you are missing a larger issue (or point, whatever).

    I should have said, I agree that these people are acting like control freaks and that it is wrong, and there are clearly a lot of ways to solve this in a much, much simpler way.

    Then what I should have said is that I think we are missing another important point (in its own right) that Hayek had mentioned. Then it flows a lot better?

    Because, we need to go to root causes here. Why are people acting this way?

    I (fervently) believe they are acting this way out of a response mechanism brought on by the dulling of the human spirit of the “great society” socialisms induced upon us since FDR.

    And I think that is a BIG issue (IMHO).

    That’s why we need to wake up, children.

    We are ALWAYS looking for someone ELSE to clean up the sh*t – pun intended.

    In the old days, if you needed a hand, you looked to the end of your ARM. You hunkered down w/ your neighbors and solved the problem.

    We have become so dependent, that I am truly concerned…

    Sorry for not communicating that more clearly.

    Hey look, I wouldn’t have bothered w/ this blog b/c, while I DO have an undying hatred for HOAs, they ain’t on my radar screen. Greece, the $1T defense of the euro, the newly re-opened currency swap window, and the strange de-coupling behavior of the markets is what has me running scared.

    What touched me about this issue was more about why are people behaving in such BONKED ways?

    My point only was: I think Hayek gave us that answer long ago..

  6. Jeannie Queenie says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Iluvatar, you are wise beyond your years. ‘ Be a simple man,’ Amen…’.It really can be a whole lot simpler than the way we are playing it – just be simple.’ If only all others would respect that and behave that way, but egos always seem to prevail and especially with the topic at hand..that of the so-called rights of dog owners to cry, ‘love me, love my dog, love my dog’s crap”. Addendum to that would be, “please don’t expect me to grow up and respect you…i want to be a thumb sucking 3 yr old who gets their way–so here, bite me, but not my dog”.

  7. Ymbel Diaz says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Dear Karen before proceeding I would first like to thank you for providing this platform and for being open and willing to hear one out.

    I’m sorry for the delay of my response and it seems that clarification of my statement is needed as well as me producing the “smoking gun” that I found in your original post. The line in your original post that I was referring to and to which I wanted to make a point about the person that would say something like that ,was-”Don’t blame the state-look to the pedestrian tyrants around you who desire to turn your world into an Orwellian nightmare to serve their need for bureaucratic power and control”.
    I felt that statement embodied a confusion over what we see as government tyranny and private voluntary associations(HOA in this case). In a truly free Laissez Faire society there would be a market for any desire or wish. People would have the choice to live in communistic socialist gated communities at one end of the spectrum and anarchist communites on the other side of the spectrum. That’s where I felt “the power of emotions twisting principles” comes in. We see something that strikes at the heart of freedom-”crazed,overzealous power mongering/control”. But as far as I know no one has been Shanghied into these communities. That’s what I mean by voluntary. These people,unless they were drugged,know what they were signing into. And these “pedestrian tyrants around you who desire to turn your world into an Orwellian nightmare to serve their need for bureaucratic power and control” Look to me to be board members that have no influence in my world and are just doing what private HOA organizations are set up to do. Whether they do it good, bad, or ugly is another story.

    And as to Butler’s statement, was he refering to you when he said-”…..the tendency of even some libertarians to assume that if you(Karen?) are critical of a given practice, you must want the state to intervene to control it”. I was one of the people who emailed him and said-”I don’t think that because Karen is critical of a given practice(DNA testing on dog poop) people assume she wants government control. I think what people take issue is that she’s critical of a private institution passing some rule that she sees as no different then government action.” To say the least, I found his comments not really connected with what we were discussing but sounded more like a discussion you may have had with him about this whole mess. I’m a little dense sometimes so maybe you can clear that up for me.

    As for his other point about the “voluntary nature of HOA’s agreement: who will enforce them”. I emailed him-”And when it comes to the voluntary nature of HOA agreements I guess you can answer that by imaging what the answer would be in a truly free society,wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t there be private contracts and arbitration services?”

    And I really don’t know why you both feel the need to slight a great libertarian/anarchist phrase-vote with your feet(dollars). And I was surprise to hear him say -”where have I heard that before?” All I could think was I’m sure you’ve heard yourself say it because you sure enough wrote it in an article.

    So the twisting of priciples comes from not liking some decision made between private individuals who contracted themselves to this organization and from overlooking a lot of libritarian/anarchist principles: Is there a victim;Respect for contracts;and private property. Yes there will be winners on certain rulings and yes there will be losers who think those rulings are unfair,but that’s the ups and downs of living in HOA’s. Some people like that stuff-arguing,ruling other peoples lives,being ruled,constant strife, etc. Just be thankful it’s not us.

    Again let me thank you for being so generous with you time to think that my response is worthy of consideration. And let me apologize if anything I may have said has given offense or has come across as crude, that was not my intention.

    Part of The Remnant

    Ymbel Diaz

  8. Karen De Coster says:

    May 19th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Ymbel, you didn’t come off as crude — You twisted my meaning (which was clear, which is why I re-posted my post). I’ve never said “vote with your feet.” I’ve never pointed to the fact that you should let the tyranny of others chase you from your property, your country, your home, your family, etc.

  9. Iluvatar says:

    May 20th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    @ Ymbel:

    STILL love ya’ man! Good people – salt of the earth!

    Final poser?

    Awhile back, I was complaining about being harassed by an over-testosteroned Arizona cop for not walking down the street the “right” way (OK, mebbe it was after the 5th-6th time – I forget). And it was b/c I turn into a “brownie” during the summer time.

    While their law, after scrutiny, does not “actually” break laws/constitutionality, the language is a bit loose (open to interp).

    But I was still complaining anyway (I just love to complain; I have nothing else better to do after all!).

    While not quite analogous, did anyone hear a small ding go off in their left frontal lobe when the statement “s’pose they want only brunettes in the building”?

    Before I get slaughtered AGAIN, I only want to make a very simple point:

    You can usually tell something is “afoot” (sorry been watching the new Sherlock Holmes DVD a lot lately), when it is a personal injury to YOU.

    It is a gut-based feeling. Just put your foot into that mocassin.

    The answer will become immediate – and you don’t have to be a libertarian to know so either…

  10. Ymbel Diaz says:

    May 20th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Karen I did not twist your meaning, I said your principles are becoming twisted. You feel that this whole poop issue is tyranical. I feel that when it comes to private individuals contracting themselves to something it’s their choice what to contract with, whether it’s a tyranical HOA that may say in it’s by-laws that it will use the force of the state to enforce it’s dictates. Or whether it’s a private HOA that will resort to more gentler means of persuasion. Buyer beware. Where you see a problem, I don’t. You know when you buy into a HOA your basically contracting yourself with others who can impose their will. Now this would be a different story if you where a home owner and your neighbor thinks that everyone in the neighborhood should have white curtains and then he tries to use the might of the state to enforce that. Then yes, I would be at the head of the charge with you against this tyranny. But in this instance(sorry to beat a dead horse) you fail to see that there are no victims here and these people should have been aware of what they were signing their lives to.

    If the state were ever to disappear from the face of the earth you will still have these sort of forceful contractual relations that people can go into if that floats their boat and you will also have less forceful ones. That’s the beauty of the market-choices.

    About you not saying “vote with your feet” phrase, if your look at the paragraph I wrote I was referring to Butler Shaffer as having said it but that I found it strange that you would both slight such a great libertarian/anarchist saying ,such as, if you don’t like the service you get from Mr. A vote with your feet(dollars) and go to Mr. B.

  11. Sal says:

    May 20th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Premiering in the CBS Fall TV Lineup; CSI Excremental

  12. Iluvatar says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 12:08 am

    There is 1 comment worth mentioning as we (hopefully) all quiet down a bit (almost like an HOA meeting after all!!!). And it comes across as 2 examples – we learn by examples so please listen before you hit the “Let’s slaughter him again” button, ok?

    I believe that these examples indicate why it is more than just being a Libertarian (and perhaps – why – I am not!!). – More is required – Should I absolutely tick OFF all Libertarians out there, then please accept my apologies in advance/

    #1) Has to do with an amplification on private property rights. This happened in my own neighborhood and tore it apart. Dann, a good man, decided to build a split-rail fence on his OWN property. Unfortunately, he had a “flag lot” right behind him. These flag lots were (imho) terribly designed w/ NO front yard. But he went ahead and did it anyway – it is his property after all? He can husband HIS private property as he sees fit, NO?

    But it really ticked off the flag lot owner behind him, who after all is sitting on a lot wherein when you walk out of your front door, the next step is in the next door neighbor’s back yard – which in this case, is right on his fence.

    An absolute FURY erupted! And it blew the neighborhood apart (including the HOA operative at the time).

    With these facts in mind, ask yourselves this? Who is at fault?

    Answer! BOTH of them! Why? A) Dann failed to recognize that, while he was an owner of his private property (a single family dwelling), he did not realize that actions he took on his property ALONE had an EFFECT on other people!!!! He believed that husbandry of his property needed no inputs from folks with whom his property actually INTERFACED with!

    My view? A really bad move there Hoss!

    We/liber’s mistake PRIVATE property rights as if they operated in a vacuum. They do not.

    When your actions of husbandry on YOUR property AFFECTS OTHERS in a potentially negative way – the right thing to do is to WORK IT BEFOREHAND!

    Got a name for this? Called COMMON SENSE, man!

    And B) the reaction of the affected homeowner went right over the frickin’ top – and that resolved nothing EITHER – just paved the way for more anger – SWELL (you did buy the lot that you did buy – YES? – It, after all was YOUR choice – right???)


    Actually, I think that example is all that is needed. When I went to sink new trees and a swing set, I basically consulted my neighbors on their thoughts, gave them my plan and we made adjustments. We all got together to build each others’ Swing Sets (and drank many beers in the effort – 18 years later, those swing sets are still there).

    And, OH, btw? My flag lot neighbor who I worked with on sinking our trees? Dude took some GREAT photos of the Yaschino cherry trees 3 years ago and then went ape this spring (not his fault – they bloomed like I never ever saw before – those beauties ROCK!).

    And he is the LAST person on this world that I would call a libertarian – but that is Frank, god love him…

    Just give this a bit of thought?

    Do ya’ see where I am comin’ from better now? It is more than blind obedience to a dogma (no matter where it hails from)! It is by finding your center and getting better grounded – something we ALL can do!


    Someone said: “Question EVERYTHING!”. I would tell you that person’s name, but I am suffering a senior moment (I have a right to these things!!!)


    Do ya’ think we’re addressing more than a POOP problem here? If you did, then mebbe I was helpful in some very small way.

  13. Karen De Coster says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 6:54 am

    Ymbel, quite frankly, you’re saying my “principles are becoming twisted” is completely fucked up. My principles are never fucked up – they have been archived for 12 years. Yours, however, are confused and circling and emotional. Look at you – you even use the words “I feel.” (Hint, hint.) I don’t care what you feel – that’s an emotive appeal that I find irrelevant. I’ll repeat my post that threw you into a tizzy (again):

    “The DNA poop test would be for the purpose of pinpointing “the source of wayward excrement… See More” on the condominium property. Don’t just blame the state – look to the pedestrian tyrants around you who desire to turn your world into an Orwellian nightmare to serve their need for bureaucratic power and control. People have nothing better to do.”

    Nothing in the above is wrong, and in fact, people forget how important it is to point out that these “voluntary” organizations (with mandates) act like mini states, using the same tactics, and then use the state to enforce their mandates. Indeed, that is a problem. And you, like everyone else, can’t address it. Truly voluntary organizations/agreements do not need/use the state to enforce their excessive mandates. They explore options that are satisfactory to all, and they seek private means of arbitration.

    As I stated, HOAs are a very convoluted concept and involves much more attention/time, and my point was not to address that issue per se (your argument on HOAs is way simplistic), but rather, to focus on the tyranny that comes from the masses. So quit attempting to address the HOA issue in two paragraphs, Ymbel. You fail at it. And I am not arguing the HOA issue. It would take time (I respect how complicated the matter is to argue; you don’t). It would take more time than I have to spend, and besides, like I already said, been there, done that on that issue. The fact that you you are so willing to simplify this issue, as you did above, with no critical thought is mindboggling.

    My post was about power and force, and what people and states do with it. People who are granted unlimited power use it. They use it to force their preferences and morals on others. That’s why we have the omnipotent state. Surely it’s unreasonable for an HOA to disallow someone to park their SUV/Ford pickup in their own driveway? (An HOA recently did that, too.) The more power people/states possess, the more unreasonable their demands and excessive reach into your private life. These kind of powermongering, state-using creeps are the Enablers and Useful Idiots that have helped bring you the unlimited state.

    I have no more time for this matter.

  14. Iluvatar says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 5:01 pm


  15. M. Terry says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Fer Pete’s sake. People – freakin busybodies – want to DNA SAMPLE dog crap. And someone thinks Karen’s principles are becoming twisted for pointing out how idiotic it is to turn to “the man” to sample dog shit for DNA?

    I always carry bags and pick up after my dogs. Some people don’t, and obviously, they’re assholes. But instead of making a federal case outta several offending piles of dog feces, the outfit could, as Karen pointed out, pay a service or some kid to come through once a week and pick up the offending substance. But that simply makes too much sense.

    I read a news story where a guy shot to death a guy whose dog peed on his immaculate lawn. Maybe what the HMO should do is hire snipers and just kill anyone that lets their dog defecate and then fails to pick it up.

    The bottom line is this whole thread was begat by busybody control-freak idiocy. Busybodies want to control people’s actions, and will dream up incredibly stupid shit in their quest for controlling what they consider to be “unsavory behavior.”

    Remember the record labeling proposals by PMRC by Tipper Gore in the 80s? That was perfect example of a group of busybodies – who wouldn’t take enough interest in what their children were listening to to vet it themselves – to force the music industry to “police itself” – via forced regulations, of course. What’s incontrovertible fucktardist douchbaggery is the fact that there WERE actual _Senate hearings_ on the matter – thanks to Tipper’s husband, then Senator AlGore. Frank Zappa spoke before the Senate on the matter:

    “The PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years dealing with the interpretational and enforcemental problems inherent in the proposal’s design. It is my understanding that, in law, First Amendment issues are decided with a preference for the least restrictive alternative. In this context, the PMRC’s demands are the equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation … The establishment of a rating system, voluntary or otherwise, opens the door to an endless parade of moral quality control programs based on things certain Christians do not like. What if the next bunch of Washington wives demands a large yellow “J” on all material written or performed by Jews, in order to save helpless children from exposure to concealed Zionist doctrine?”

    And that articulate response to idiotic busybody fucktardism was about, well, music lyrics.

    I actually hope that the idiots making rules for the inhabitants of this condo complex succeed in the enforcement end of this bit of busybody idiocy. I can just see a bunch of bored teenagers picking up dog crap from all over and seeding it on condo property – then laughing themselves sick when the shit patrol comes by and carefully samples their well placed “evidence.” These kids will likely be a new You Tube sensation, if they can somehow manage to hold the camera steady while they’re laughing their asses off.
    Busybodies have brought us all kinds of stupid new laws – from not being able to buy booze on Sundays or voting days, to not smoking in one’s own home. (Who in the hell can actually VOTE without a few belts anyways?)

    Karen understands the big picture, and while I don’t need to defend her, I know her, and she has real principles and calls bullshit (or dogshit) when she sees it. Her principles are intact. And consistent.

    What’s really amazing to me is the fact that some people have so few actual problems in their lives that something like this is a major issue for them. They should be on their knees every day giving thanks to the Almighty that their lives are so absent of any real problems.

    Oh yeah – all you busybody douchebags – get a life. Or get a bag, and take two minutes out of your busybody schedule and remove the few turds that are on you lawn every week. It’s in your best interest, I promise you. If you don’t – and you actually manage to get this bit of idiocy passed, you will have to spend even more money to put up surveillance cameras to catch the teenagers who put garbage pails full of dog shit on your lawns.

    And Karen – I love you for your principles, man. Don’t hold back on defending them, or correcting those who would twist the meaning of your clear and concise posts. If you have to beat down a few busybody defenders to do so, so be it.

  16. M. Terry says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    P.S. I read Jeannie’s other post responsive to the first post. I live in a small development pretty much in the boonies – there’s actually probably more dogs here than people. And I only have to pick up an errant turd maybe once a month. A lot of folks walk their dogs here. Apparently, most pick up after their dogs.

    Jeannie, it sounds like you’re surrounded by a lot of inconsiderate slobs. You have a way with words, and are a good communicator. If I may offer a suggestion: Perhaps it would be a good thing to berate the asshats who let their dogs crap in your yard and street, and to offer them a bag so they can pick it up. It might make an impact, and help to change their behavior. I’m always amazed to hear the stories from big eastern cities about the dogshit problems. Sorry to hear that you have to deal with that. Just so you know, it’s not like that everywhere. There are dog owners who pick up after their dogs. The ones who don’t are assholes. But we have a big problem with litter out here. Assholes dump on the forest, and elsewhere. It’s a people problem. Many people are, unfortunately, inconsiderate slobs. Hope you can solve it with communication. I feel confident you’re very capable of handling it that way. (even though you shouldn’t really have to)

  17. Karen De Coster says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Everyone might wanna see this update on the Condo nazis:

    Quote from article: “At the meeting last night the condo board decided that the doggy-doo DNA testing idea just didn’t smell quite right. They decided to table the whole idea and come up with another idea that is “realistic and acceptable.” Yeah – that’s what I said in the first place.

  18. liberranter says:

    May 22nd, 2010 at 3:11 am

    They decided to table the whole idea and come up with another idea that is “realistic and acceptable.”

    Given the earnest idiocy of their original idea, I shudder to think what those busybody dickheads consider “realistic” or “acceptable.”

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