Kurt Haskell on the Underwear Bomber

Monday, November 29, 2010
Posted in category The Terror State

Let us not forget about Kurt Haskell, the heroic Detroit area attorney who witnessed the “Underwear Bomber” event and has since shared his observations and experience for all, without any motive other than revealing the truth. On the Haskell family blog, Kurt has put together an excellent synopsis of the events on flight 253 in the form of a video: he is having a conversation with Michael Chertoff about the government’s false flag incident. You can find the video here. Also, here is his interview with Scott Horton.

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14 Responses to Kurt Haskell on the Underwear Bomber

  1. Iluvatar says:

    November 29th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    @ Karen:

    I could not figure out if there was a real threat from all of this or not?

    I tiried to read all of your links but it still was not clear.

    Since I no longer watch TV (except for NFL and NCAA football games – (BOOO Bengals!!!!)), I could not figure out what really went down.

    Can you please help us societally-impaired folk?

    BTW – just finished up a movie by Somerset Maughm called “The Razor’s Edge”.


    First movie from that era that addresses spiritualism as well as the tackling of the ILLS of our time (trust me on this one hoss – it ain’t new – America’s best psychologist of the 19th century noted the fatigue of the nominal worker trying to run the so-called “rat race” – his name was William James (brother of Henry James – “Turn of the Screw”), and his book was called “The Varieties of Religious Experience”.

    Dude was Rad Hard.

    But this (very early) movie goes much further, and addresses the issues of OUR VERY soul – BOORAH!

    Since I got this movie from a work colleague, I now have to wonder whether he knew I was a mystic…

    (Darn!, I just gave him the movies “Trystan & Isolde” as well as “King Arthur – his wife LOVED the 1st movie!).

    Oh well, nite, nite…

  2. cousin lucky says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 2:53 am

    Call me a conspiracy nut but I believe a lot of these terrorist incidents are being staged!!!!

  3. Karen De Coster says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Cousin – you are not a nut!

  4. clark says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Amazingly, it seems as though even Yahoo has the perception that the American public is being played for a fool along with these hapless and easy to manipulate teenagers:

    Mohamed Mohamud, Portland Bomber Suspect: Young Radical?


    Mohamed Osman Mohamud, seems to have been almost as angry at his family.

    Mohamud was going to fly off to join terrorists [But he couldn't even manage to get to Alaska?]

    Mohamud once attempted to get a visa to travel to Pakistan during a family visit to Britain but failed because his passport was not valid. [Not valid, he couldn't figure this out and he's supposed to be a threat?]

    Mohamud, messed up the e-mail address by confusing it with a password.

    This kid wasn’t capable of doing anything from the way this reads.

    The, “peer pressure” was so great it’s just oozing out from this phrase:

    On Nov. 26, after a final inspection of what he believed would be an “amazing” bomb, Mohamud was asked once again by the undercover agent if he wanted to go through with it.

    The bigger kids were looking at him with that, “You’re not a pussy, are you?” look that I imagine everyone can relate to and to which Any teenager finds hard to resist.

    When he says, He was concerned that after living in the United States and attending college, he may not have that ‘high faith.’ ” It sounds to me like he was having second thoughts and wouldn’t have done anything without the help of the adults supplying him and guiding him.

    If Mohamud’s father did play a role in the case, it would be achingly familiar to the part played by the wealthy father of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the young Nigerian who tried to blow up a plane over Detroit last year and who is now popularly known as the underwear bomber.

    Achingly familiar.

  5. Matthew T. says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Ok…gotta ask…was 9/11 staged?  I see folks arguing it both ways…I find it hard to believe that the existing US govt. is competent enough and ‘that’ evil to kill over 3,000 of its own subjects AND keep the conspiracy a secret.  Don’t get me wrong…I know governments kill millions (i.e. Mao,Stalin, etc.) but I am not sure if our government is quite there yet.  There is a third explanation that has been floating around which I can see happening…the CIA (assuming they are competent – just this once) knew of the impending attack on 9/11 but did not do anything to stop it knowing full well they could advance a hidden agenda…  

  6. Michael says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    This *is* the price we all pay. This is what is meant by our “eternal vigilance”.

  7. liberranter says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    CL: Ditto what Karen said. In fact, it’s perfectly safe to say that all of these “terrorist incidents” have been/are being staged!

  8. Jeannie Queenie says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    @iluvatar….long time no see! In case, you didn’t know this…. Chertoff isn’t the only one who is making big bucks from these scanners. It was his idea to implement them. He is the lobbyist involved in this sick scheme. Check out this article and the video of a kid being groped…sickening, as well as the sickening account of a woman who was virtually molested as a female tsa did more than check her out. This is truly outrageous. I just tried looking for the research done on Chertoff in recent days, but can’t find it…for now however, ck out the article here…entitled guess who else is a lobbyist for porn scanners. http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/guess-who-else-lobbyist-porno-scanners

    This is a serious article about an immoral/unethical and mostly unconstitutional thing they are doing…these f’rs don’t give two shts about our rights anymore. The next video is laughable even though serious.
    Check it out here…

  9. Jeannie Queenie says:

    November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    A Libertarian friend of mine recently ran for Congress here in CT. Long story short, his votes weren’t even counted, so now he is pursuing this BS in a higher court…3rd time votes not counted. I recently attended one of his half day seminars on our court systems…what an eye opener that was. There is so much BS in the courts at local, state and federal levels it would make your head spin. At any rate, he is teaching us how to circumvent the morons/statists who want your money.

    I give you this background on friend so that I can reveal what he told me he would do if at an airport where they wanted to frisk him. His email to me here/unadulterated……………………

    But the more important thing to do is to dial 911 in the event sexual assault or unsolicited nude photography of yourself, your family or your children occurs. I wouldn’t hesitate to do that for a second.

    Then I’d follow it up with the mother of all Bivens Actions. In layspeak, I’d be suing said assailants in their personal capacity, meaning that soveriegn immunity and the ability to call in help from government attorneys are not options.

    If those who consider sexual assault or nude photography to be an acceptable way of saying “hello” still can’t understand and they own a bass boat, I will sue and win said bass boat in court. Said bass boat will be chopped up into firewood after it’s awarded to me by a court of competent jurisdiction. I will record the entire process of dismantling and burning said bass boat and post it on YouTube in the unlikely event that someone similarly situated gets the equally brilliant idea that sexual assault or unsolicited nude photgraphy are acceptable forms of behavior in our fine constitutional republic.

    Overall, that takes care of my end on this. You are all free to forward this just so everyone with a need to know is more than aware – even and especially the TSA :)”

  10. Iluvatar says:

    December 1st, 2010 at 12:26 am

    What did you mean by that exactly? I was confused by your comment – but it is also late & I am gettin=g way gooofy here…

  11. Iluvatar says:

    December 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 am


    Huh? I never left!

    I have been trying (very) hard to behave myself! (My work colleagues love Karen’s site but hate me!! – well, that is sort of a lie – they just don’t want me to dominate a blog).

    But after the past 5-8 blogs, you can easily see my lack of success at that effort…


    But I am gonna work a lot harder @ controllin’ my tongue (ooopsss – I meant fingers!).

    Anyway, great post on Chertoff – but I gotta tell ya the 2nd video made me want to “ralph” – I could not endure that form of TSA search, and the TSA agent would have gotten my legs wrapped around his neck in a “death kill” for the actions.

    (this is where you leap up and do a leg wrap around the neck and then bring your victim to the ground to stabilize him and then secure his arms (his legs are toast at this point) while your legs work a choke hold – on his neck. In wrestling we call it the “Figure 4″ (legs cross over at the knees and form a figure “4″). It is illegal to do it in wrestling unless it is on the truck of the body – but, for self defense, it is entirely “legal” to do it on an idiot – like a TSA molestor.

    I call it the “leg-snake” move.

    Wanna see how many TSA employes are ready for that action, dude?

    Go FUCK yourselves – hard!!!!!

    Sorry guys, I was trained as a wrestler by a devout student (Terwood was the ass-hole’s name and he was a frickin upside-down triangle @ 185 lbs) of the great Iowa star wrestler: Dan Gable.

    But that Figure 4 works real in a match – taught both my boys that move.

    And that was before I went to Air Force Academy to get trained on how to kill people (that is what they teach you there – you might get lucky and get to take an Algebra course).

    Peace, brothers (there is sometimes a better way – but if not – then BRING IT)…

  12. M. Terry says:

    December 2nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Jeannie wrote: “I’d follow it up with the mother of all Bivens Actions. In layspeak, I’d be suing said assailants in their personal capacity, meaning that soveriegn immunity and the ability to call in help from government attorneys are not options.”

    One of the problems with a Bivens action is one must first discover if the agent was acting in his or her own capacity. In order to do so, one must perform pre-litigation discovery, typically via the FOIA or other public records acts. Unfortunately, the FOIA was essentially eviscerated under GWB, and it hasn’t gotten any better under GWB II. So one of the best pre-litigation discovery tools has essentially been eliminated. (So much for the Government in the Sunshine Act. Few crawly critters like sunshine, so they’ve done their best to treat the hoi polloi like mushrooms – keeping us in the dark and feeding us crap. Based upon this http://karendecoster.com/were-stupid-and-we-vote-away-your-freedom.html and much other stuff, it appears to be working.)

    Here’s an example: The plaintiff sues the agent in his personal capacity. The government answers with a motion to substitute parties – stating, in essence, that the TSA assailant was not operating in his or her own capacity, and that he or she was simply following TSA rules or regulations. They might claim that these regs are secret, and that disclosure of such would cripple national security. The complainant then moves for an in-camera inspection of the regs, and the motion is either approved or denied. If approved, the judge determines that the regs can’t be disclosed, and that the agent was simply following established procedures, and approves the government’s MSJ. By the time this is all actually heard, so much time has passed that the case is dismissed with prejudice, and the time deemed not tolled, so the proper party cannot be sued. If it’s dismissed without prejudice, the complainant is back to square one, and has to file a Title 18 §§ 241-242 action for conspiracy against rights – a really tough case to prove in any case, and now especially when most of the sheep “go along” with being irradiated and felt up. Judges now even base their “reasoning” on what “…was raised, vetted, blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged by America’s vigilant citizenry.” Screw the facts and the law. Or the little matter that the law may be “secret.” Remind you of anything?

    It’s also very difficult, time consuming and expensive to either sue or defend against the largest law firm in the world – the Department of Justice. I’ve worked in one law office where a client made around a million bux a year, and still couldn’t afford to compete against the “system.” A trial on something along the nature of a Bivens action will typically cost a minimum of 50 grand, and that’s a naked minimum. More like around 200K. And it may take over a decade to adjudicate. So much for the “right to petition.”

    I’ve been in the courtroom preparing exhibits for a case and witnessed the judge, DOJ lawyers and government agents walking out of the judge’s chambers after having an illegal ex parte communication. I’ve seen judges review well-documented perjury, committed by federal agents, and state that he “didn’t see a problem.” Jeeze.

    I’ve also worked on a number of cases where “patriots” paid gurus for bizarre papers – which they then filed with the court – and seen enhanced indictments returned against the “patriot” as a result of their paying for and filing such trash. Caveat emptor on self-appointed gurus. Too, well intentioned, but misinformed pro se litigants often shoot themselves in the foot by following the advice of Paytriot Gurus who couldn’t themselves beat a parking ticket. One that I know of was charging people for instructions on how to get a tax lien removed, while the guru himself has current tax liens on file. (I guess his information only worked for OTHER folks.) I’ve reviewed videos of classes that consisted of failed patriot guru argument trash, “researched” from patriot photocopy swapmeets, which information had essentially no grounding in reality. You may be able to see if what you are learning has merit by going here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ The author is a friend that I’ve worked with, and he’s been for years building a library of failed patriot arguments, many of which are available on his site. He also has cataloged a huge amount of historical legal information, including ALL Stats at Large, converted into pdf searchable format here: http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/sal/ If you’re doing research, it’s potentially a valuable tool. NB: the files are huge.

    I always suggest going to the law library and reviewing any cites that anyone supplies. I’ve seen guru snake-oil salesmen cite dissenting opinions as if it was the holding in a case – not to mention the citation of phony legal cites that don’t exist. Case authority is available on the internet. Versuslaw has a pretty good website, and it’s fairly affordable. Other websites like Tax Analysts have huge libraries available, but they deal with tax cases. Lexus is pretty pricey.

    I don’t work in the legal field anymore. It’s too corrupt, and I couldn’t stomach it. While there are some good lay teachers in the legal field, most I’ve ever met were people whose exuberance was matched only by their inexperience.

    Good for you, Jeannie, for being a student of the corrupt “system.” Would that more people undertake the task of educating themselves. I don’t have the stomach for it anymore. I spent too much time in the trenches, understand it’s corrupt, and while I have my own theories on how to restore it, the fact is it’s not likely to be repaired any time soon – if at all. It’s big power and money interests that makes it run the way that it currently does.

    BTW – here’s a PDF concerning problems one Libertarian Candidate, Daniel Reale, is having in Connecticut:

    From what I’ve seen regarding that matter, CT Secretary of State Bysiewicz is a real piece of work. Looks like Reale has valid grounds for at least some of his complaints. I wish him well in shining the light on the scurrilous practices of the byzantine Hegelian state, and pray he doesn’t get stung by any of the creepy things he uncovers. Maybe he’ll actually get somewhere, and hopefully safely.

    Cheers, MT

  13. clark says:

    December 3rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Thanks for writing that, M. Terry, it reinforces my own conclusion.
    Yet another example there is no such thing as Rule of Law, there’s only
    Rule of Men.

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