Back to the Bullying Topic

Tuesday, September 21, 2010
Posted in category Public Uneducation

As usual, the bobbleheads in the MSM (mainstream media) are doing a shoddy job of reporting this story: “Florida Father Apologizes for School Bus Tirade, Threats.”

A Florida man apologized Tuesday for boarding his daughter’s school bus earlier this month and threatening the other children and the driver, saying he acted out of frustration over students bullying his daughter.

“I handled it the wrong way when I went on the bus,” James Jones said. He said he does not condone storming on the bus or his profanity-laced tirade in front of students.

I can only imagine the reactions from various sappy libertarians concerning this man’s actions. Well, here’s my take, like it or not.

I saw the video today, and I applauded the man, James Jones, for taking a stand and defending the honor and rights of his beloved (handicapped) child. His 13-year-old daughter has cerebral palsy. She had been repeatedly bullied, taunted, spit on, called names, and physically assaulted on the public school bus (yes, being “pushed around” is an assault). He found out about these events when his daughter finally revealed why she didn’t want to go to school any longer. His heart broke. He lost his temper and stormed a school bus, taking no other actions except yelling at the assortment of delinquents who filled the yellow-and-black bully pulpit. He cussed and tossed f-bombs, and threatened to kick the butts of the guilty punks.

Indeed, he said he’d “kill whoever did it,” but the word was not used literally. Other than the use of that word in temper, James Jones only rose up in defense against the repeated violence foisted upon his child. The media reaction was painfully predictable. How dare any person storm the sacred ground of a public education prison transport full of wonderful children and desecrate its semi-sacred ambience with profanity?

The collective, politically correct forces made James Jones go public and “urge parents not to follow his example, but to use available resources and talk to the school if their child is being bullied.” They have put this man on Good Morning America, and in press conferences, to genuflect before the alters of the educational system’s codes of political correctness. He has performed forced apology after forced apology, because he stepped up, in righteous anger and fatherly love, to defend his helpless baby girl.

He is therefore facing “two misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and disturbing a school function.” “Disturbing a school function” is somehow distinctive from “disturbing” anything else? Of course it is, because a “school function” is representative of the mighty indoctrination arm of the state.

Any real man, any protective father, would be pushed over the edge to react to a bunch of baggy pants losers incessantly bullying his disabled daughter who could not defend herself. As a punishment, this real man is being forced to grovel, heel, abide, and be perpetually apologetic.

Back in the old days of, Stephan Kinsella, myself, and other regular LRC writers tackled the bullying topic in a very heated fashion on the blog, fighting the pro-bullying forces (whose blogs have since disappeared from the archives). Here are a few of the ‘greatest hits’ from those blog battles:

See Stephan Kinsella on “Toward a Theory of Bullying” and “More on Bullying.

My follow-up: “Aggression is Aggression is Aggression is Aggression.”

Stephan Carson on “Bullying and Lawlessness.”

Ryan McMaken on “Bullies and Real Men.”

Ryan McMaken on “Reason vs Violence.”

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21 Responses to Back to the Bullying Topic

  1. liberranter says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 am

    I’m assuming that the black and yellow prisonmobile aboard which this incident took place was transporting Mr. Jones’s daughter to a public school. If that is the case, then the abuse she suffered en route to and from “school” was only part of the systemic abuse she was already suffering by being forced to attend such a toxic and institution in the first place.

    While I, like you, commend Mr. Jones for standing up to his daughter’s tormentors, I also believe he shares at least some of the blame for her predicament by entrusting her for six-plus hours per day to a dangerous and dysfunctional institution populated by bullies and social engineers who have been slowly destroying her and undermining his parental authority.

  2. Deb S. says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    How dare any person who’s not a teacher spill profanity before the innocents?! blargh.

    My youngest son was bullied by a (public, naturally) school admin. while he was in the fifth grade. Not bullied in a physical sense, but rather by being questioned as to why he was informing us (wretched parents) about his activities at school. My son is going to be 16 soon. And, he is still being home-schooled. He will leave my kitchen table to attend college, if he chooses to.

  3. Stephan Kinsella says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Karen, I recently collected these and other posts from that original discussion in this post, Bullying and Libertarianism. I’ll add yours to it too. SK

  4. Mark Horne says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Someone needs to send the man a copy of John Taylor Gatto’s Weapons of Mass Instruction. It would liberate his mind and his daughter’s freedom would follow.

  5. Michael says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Well put, Karen. I’m glad there’s someone out there that thinks like I do. Unfortunately, all 5 of my children attend public prison, er, schools. There’s some reasons behind that, but I do remind my kids every so often that what they’re really attending is a propaganda camp and they can ignore a good deal of what they are shovelled. (Yes, I spend a fair amount of time correcting “false doctrines” they are taught).

    In any case, my 14-year old has received a fair amount of bullying, including having his insulin pump smashed against a set of lockers. More than once I’ve told my wife that if I could get away with it, I’d take the day off from work and go down to that so-called “school” and beat these punks heads in with a 2×4. Oh, sure, I’d go to jail, but the satisfaction would be well worth it.

    Keep up the good work.

  6. Mark D. says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Great posts on bullying Karen; I had forgotten about those. I miss these types of discussions on LRC.

  7. M. Terry says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Unfortunately, Liberranter, many people who have children with disabilities receive state assistance for their disabled children. I know several who do, and IMO, it’s probably one of the best uses of taxpayer dollars. Otherwise, they’re just throwaway kids.

    What I object more to is the state actually paying people to reproduce. Since the government has established that people, by contract, can waive their 2nd Amendment rights if they choose to love in a government housing project, they should also have to agree not to reproduce while receiving taxpayer dollars via welfare, state housing, etc.

    There are also state programs for autistic children that are making great strides. A parent simply can’t accomplish the same thing themselves, and many can’t afford to. It’s easy to say that parents shouldn’t reproduce if they can’t pay for the child, but when government agents tell a parent that their child needs umpteen vaccinations, and the child develops Asperger’s syndrome, the parent many times cannot cope with the autistic child. What to do?

    What I saw in the video after the altercation was an “expert” explaining that an adult will likely not prevail if the adult raises the bullying issue with the offending little cretin’s parent(s).

    I’ve seen first hand that that’s not the case. When someone is assaulting you with force, I agree with the principle of giving them back more than they can enjoy. If a bully’s parent understands that the victim’s parent won’t tolerate that behavior – and makes the parent responsible for their little darling’s bullying – in my experience, it almost always works.

    It’s easy to armchair quarterback what the parent should have done – drive the child to school, put them in private school, etc. I won’t go there because I know so many people who are half a paycheck away from being homeless. I’m not going to second guess or pass judgment on the father because I know nothing about his situation other than what was presented on the video and in the accompanying news story/editorial.

    Maybe the guy stepped over the line, but what’s interesting was the reaction on the tape by one of the kids: In essence, here’s what the child learned: A parent can’t threaten to kill a kid just because the kid is tormenting the hell outta their kid.

    Seems like no matter what, some kids get the wrong message. (Maybe it has something to do with that yellow prisonmobile.)

    I know that when I was a kid if a parent went off on me I noted what happened and didn’t do it again. But then I wasn’t a bully – I was a little shit, who had to take martial arts classes because of being bullied. Unfortunately, a girl with cerebral palsy likely doesn’t have that option.

    I give the father two thumbs up for trying to solve the problem. After all, he reported the problem to the “authorities” who, in typical functionary fashion, did nothing. Too bad the lesson these kids learned is that if a parent tries to intercede on their child’s behalf, the parent will be the one to get into trouble.

    Interestingly, this story reinforces my belief that many children understand all the ways to exploit the system, and adults, when confronted by their LEO masters, continue to convict themselves.

  8. M. Terry says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    NB – The story claims he didn’t contact the school about the problem, while the video claims that he in effect exhausted his remedies to handle this with “officials.” Wonder what the real story is?

  9. CMN says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    My take on it is that he was right to be angry and acted in a human manner to a very painful situation. Since he caused no actual harm to any other human being, nor forcibly detained any other human being, nor committed fraud, then he has not committed any crime. An adult would proffer an apology for the language, if not the reasons for the tirade. That apology only need be made to the students involved (or peripheral to the tirade), perhaps the bus driver and perhaps the parents. For the rest of us, it’s none of our business. I’ve got to agree with Liberranter about the entrust issue, but most parents don’t know better. After all, they’ve been indoctrinated in the same system and only a few enlightened individuals are aware of the history of government education. The sad irony is that so many advocates of government education tell us that it’s necessary for children to be properly socialized. This is an excellent example of the sort of socialization far too many children are made to suffer.

  10. Elisabeth says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    A good friend dealt with her son’s bully by walking up to the kindergarten-aged jerk on the public school playground and threatening him with bodily harm if he continued his daily shenanigans. It worked, and I applauded her, but she was lucky that her actions didn’t backfire.

  11. Mandarin says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Amen, liberranter!  If you entrust your children to snakes, then don’t be surprised when they get bit.

  12. Karen De Coster says:

    September 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Mark – we get in trouble for doing that anymore!

  13. Iluvatar says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 am

    1) Read & reread the links. And the comments here are also very good.

    2) Kinsella’s reader saying “bullying makes you stronger” made me want to throw up – GAH! The rape comment that followed put it into perspective.

    3) Bullying is not right but NEITHER is not standing up to it. My older son was expelled from Middle “Prison” (sorry Michael – needed to steal that phrase from you) once when a bully followed him back home and gave my son no opportunity for “flight”. So when cornered, he stood up to the bully and beat the crap out of him. He got expelled despite my arguments w/ the AP (he was being trolled). I congratulated my son on his decision and railed about the decision of the AP (I also gave her my “ear” as well).

    4) But by the same token, I also spent a lot of afternoons home schooling my kids b/c I could not trust the Public School/Prison System. They sure left a lot to be desired…(PS: the private schools aren’t far behind either!) At least my kids had been read “The Lord of the Rings” Trilogy before the movies came out (big grin!). Boy, was that ever a reading exercise!

    5) Back to point #3: reason for this? I can not tolerate another human being who simply tolerates physical abuse – anymore than I can tolerate a human being who delivers it. I was a big kid until HS, but was never really bullied nor did I bully (hey? How are you going to come out at recess and play football if I behaved that way?).

    6) The reasons don’t EVEN need to get to Existentialism here. Both forms of behavior are simply psychologically Unhealthy. They don’t even need to become Libertarian reasons either. It is wrong on health grounds. That is why I don’t have sympathy for the battered wife of an alcoholic husband – one of the CLASSIC examples of abuse. Dude! What caused you to get into that relationship in the 1st place? My view in that instance is that both parties are to blame and both need serious help.

    7) But by the same token, while I was emotionally connected to the man’s issues and his anger for his daughter on the bus (as parents, we ALWAYS want to protect our children – and any threat is generally cause for severe anger – it is a mammalian instinct), railing at the kids was probably not the right path. If the school failed to address the concerns, then you go to the parents. If the parents don’t work out then file complaints w/ the police, then the courts (trust me on this one, there are a lot of bad parents out there).

    8) And if that fails AND you can afford to do it – put your child in another school. Sorry that that is such a bad answer, but it is the same answer at work. When your job is bad due to an abusive situation, you leave the first moment you can. It is not a pleasing answer, but if you can’t work it out w/ management – you leave.

    9) I just found out that I broke my right hand teaching self-defense to my older son – my fault, I was being a goofball. But my hand is in a splint so I type in MSWord then cut & paste. I may take a break from posting for a while b/c it hurts to do so.

    10) Betting on a great heave of sighs of relief here…(lol!)

  14. stevie says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am

    karen——i believe assault is intentionally putting an individual in immediate apprehension and/or fear for their safety. the intentional touching of an individual in a rude an offensive way is battery. this unconscionable act is raw unadulterated battery.

  15. Mark D. says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    That’s too bad Karen. It really made LRC a lot more interesting and fun.

  16. cousin lucky says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I grew up in Boston but now live in New York City and in both of these cities ” special needs ” students are buses separately from the regular students.

    I had a second job driving a school bus and i found it easy to maintain an orderly
    bus by establishing that I was in charge from day one.

    I remember an incident where a little boy kicked a little girl on the bus causing her to scream and cry. I pulled the bus over and investigated. I rubbed my shoe on the boys leg to show him that shoe leather hurts and then i separated the two children.

    Two days later the boy showed up with his father who started hollering at me from outside of the bus. To their surprise i immediately jumped off of the bus and got right up in his face. His son had told him a lie about what happened.

    The boys father was embarrassed that his son was bullying a little girl by kicking her. I know when that boy got home his father whipped his butt good because that became the most well behaved boy on the bus.

    If children know that you are not ever going to put up with any foolishness they do not cause any trouble. If you show children that you are afraid of them they will make your life miserable.

  17. steven says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    The bus driver and the school administrators should be the one’s to have the crap beat out of them, for allowing this to happen to the girl. There’s absolutely no excuse for them to let someone in their care be treated like that. They’re nothing but a bunch of incompetent morons.

  18. Karen De Coster says:

    September 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Mark – you are right!

  19. Alex says:

    September 24th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I thought about this topic when at CVS this morning and saw the latest issue of Newsweek that had this stupid cover story about how men need to forget about traditional notions of masculinity (and they had the nerve to use the very macho phrase “Man Up” as a headline for this ode to wussiness).

    And we wonder why we have situations like the one that Karen cites. I feel sorry for women in America. They steadily are looking at a nation of p*ssified whiners posing as “men.” This is why what used to be considered a normal (and responsible) man and father now has to apologize for defending his defenseless daughter. America the Beautiful? My ass. More like, America the f—d up.

  20. M. Terry says:

    September 25th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Karen, your post “Aggression is Aggression is Aggression is Aggression” was awesome.

  21. Ryan McM. says:

    October 2nd, 2010 at 2:29 am

    I just got around to rereading these old posts. That was an epic debate. I remember that we were instructed to take it down a notch after a while. Everything in the posts is still highly relevant today, it seems.

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